<p>^^ brace yourself 10scholar… you’re about to hear from some parents of smart football players…</p>
<p>Just wondering…I know the Ivy’s AI standards, but what are NESCAC’s exact standards? Obviously high academics but what specifically?</p>
<p>Toby Gerhart
2009 First Team Pac 10 All-Academic Team</p>
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<p>Though my response gets this thread OT, I just couldn’t resist. Football has its Heisman, while college soccer has its Hermann Trophy. </p>
<p>And like Toby, you will find some great students at great schools in the hunt for this top athletic honor, though so far only the semifinalists have been announced (15 of them). </p>
<p>Bobby Warshaw–Stanford
2009 First Team Pac 10 All-Academic Team</p>
<p>and a Hermann Trophy semifinalist </p>
<p>Andre Akpan
Fall 2009 Academic All Ivy </p>
<p>also a Hermann Trophy semifinalist</p>
<p>^excellent!</p>
<p>and you could argue that a B athlete is easily an A non-athlete because athletes spend 50 plus hours a week working on their sport. how many A students hold down a 50 hour a week job?</p>
<p>Sorry, but the A athlete in the academically challenging program still needs either the phenomenal talent, or the high standardized test scores…And preferably both, of course depending on the sport and the needs of the team-only need 1 freshman 1baseman…</p>
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This time I do not think Varsa has it right … at least in the IVY league I believe each school is given an allocation of athletic recruits in each band of AIs (less the further below the average student) … and each school can decide how to use those slots. So Cornell is likely to use more on hockey or lacrosse while other schools may not. I do not know if the schools have total freedom how they split them among sports … but I do believe they have a lot of leeway.</p>
<p>^^You’re right, 3togo - I didn’t quite get this one. I referenced my well-worn copy of Chris Lincoln’s “Playing the Game” and found that in 2003 the Ivy League decided to make every Ivy sport part of one large cohort that must have an average AI that falls within one standard deviation of the mean AI of the student body as a whole. Football, however, continues to be regulated separately under it’s own AI band system.</p>
<p>Just went through the process, accepted to an ivy. Its true at least for “money” sports, hockey, football, basketball, 600 in each SAT section or better is the goal. Its totally possible, and I know some, accepted this year at Ivies with mid 1700 total SAT score, but over 4.0 GPA and over 600 SAT IIs. Harvard recruiting letter says 1700+. It definitely depends on your rank/GPA AND your talent. You can have lower scores if really good talent and are being strongly recruited.</p>
<p>Son recruited and accepted ED to Ivy w/ 1400/2000 SATs and over 600 on SAT IIs. 4.6 GPA / top 5% in class of 450 and in a specialty program high school. I know you need to fall within a standard deviation of the AI but I think it matters how much the coach wants you once you fit the academic profile. You could be a great athlete and student but it is their need for your particular talent that drives the recruiting process.</p>
<p>What were his SAT’s? You wrote 1400/2000, but it’s out of 2400. Just curious. What was his gpa out of a 4.0?</p>
<p>^ I think she means 1400 out of 1600, or 2000 out of 2300.</p>
<p>Yes, I mean 1400/1600 and 2000/2400. 4.6/5.0 with a few non-honors classes like health/PE & tech ed. I think it helped that he is at a Governor’s Academy for Engineering Studies. They still want to see that you have taken AP classes and a tough course load. The first thing any of the Ivy or other top academic schools asked my son when they were recruiting him was for his transcript and senior year schedule. They don’t want kids taking it easy that last year. Obviously coaches want kids they can get through admissions, but I have to believe they don’t want to get kids that they are going to have to babysit or are not going to be academically eligible down the road.</p>
<p>Kind of related questions: I’m hoping to get recruited by Ivies, and my academics are definitely up there - 3.9-4.0 UW GPA, all AP/honors, 2400 SAT (got it back recently, what a pleasant surprise), and 800/790/??? (will figure out that “???” a few months from now ;)) SAT IIs. Will all that help me get more heavily recruited than, say, if I had a 2200 SAT and a 3.8? Will coaches use me as a grade booster for their teams? FWIW the sport I play is baseball. I’m pretty sure I’m already athletically good enough to get recruited but who knows in this world of volatility…Maybe my high academics will “sweeten the deal”?</p>
<p>Also…Do Stanford/Duke have their own team average academic requirements? Or do all players have to meet the same threshold and once they do it’s all good? Basically, could I be advantageous as a booster at a bigger D1?</p>
<p>Hey, congrats monstor - those are great numbers. You are obviously recruitable, the important questions are 1. how good are you at baseball? and 2. do they need your position? Email coaches with your baseball stats, maybe a link to a youtube vid and your test scores. You’ll find out very quickly the level of interest.</p>
<p>Monster - those are fabulous grades and scores and you certainly won’t have trouble getting the attention of coaches on the academic end. One advantage is that the coach may not need to give you a slot for admission as you could probably get in on your own. Recruiting is a funny (strange) game and you never know what coaches are looking for. You may feel you have the talent to play at that a collegiate level, but each coach that looks at you may see something different. As Varska pointed out, it will come down to need at each position, and your talent level compared to other recruits. Not sure how much difference it will make to the coach if you have 200 more points on your SAT if another recruit is a better player.
If you haven’t already done so, I would strongly recommend looking into attending a Headfirst Honor Roll Baseball Showcase this spring/summer. It is specifically for the high academic baseball player with coaches from every Ivy and about 70 other high end academic schools attending. Expensive but definitely worth it. They recruit kids directly from this event.<br>
Let me know if you have any other questions about the baseball recruiting process, as we just went through it.</p>
<p>Monster344- huge congrats on the SAT scores and grades! You are awesome and will have a nice career some where playing baseball. You should have lots of choices. From our experience Stanford is looking not only @ grades/SATS but also athletic ability. They are able to recruit the best of the best athletically. The Ivies are often compared to D2 levels although they are D1 (I’m only talking baseball comparisons). </p>
<p>I second the Head First rec. Also another note about Stanford. They currently have 44 or so players listed on their fall 2010 roster. In other words, 10 players will be cut by the start of the season. For some, they’ll just be happy to attend Stanford. But you could possibly get admitted to Stanford with or without your sport.</p>
<p>Good luck and enjoy this season.</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions folks. I’ve actually already been to a Headfirst event…It was definitely great for exposure. I’ve also begun emailing coaches but I haven’t said anything about my SAT yet.</p>
<p>Yikes, that’s pretty brutal about Stanford. Don’t think I would want to face being cut if I could get a secure spot at an Ivy. I know that Stanford’s really top-notch in baseball; it’s a long shot athletically but if I continue improving at the pace I’m currently improving then it could be possible. FWIW, I’m a lefty who throws 85mph right now (hoping to get it up to high-80s or maybe even, gasp, 90 over the next few months) and from what I’ve heard coaches can never have enough lefties.</p>
<p>LHP, throws 90, 2400 SAT…punch your ticket Monstor (come to Harvard) ;-)</p>
<p>^ 90 is wishful thinking. But not completely unrealistic! Haha. And I’d love to play for the Crimson :).</p>