What are my chances for M&T or Wharton?

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Hi,

I’m a rising senior and will be applying to UPenn for the M&T program (backup Wharton), but I haven’t decided on ED or RD yet. I have visited the school and have loved it.

Chinese Male
ACT: 36
SATII: 800 Math II, 760 Chem
PSAT: 1480 (220), no NMSF
Weighted GPA: 4.91
Unweighted GPA: 4.0
APs (National AP Scholar): Human Geo (5), Chem (5), Chinese (5), WHAP (4), Lang and Comp (5), Physics C Mechanics (5), Physics C E&M (5), Calc BC (5), APUSH (5), Comp Sci (5)

Extracurriculars/Awards:

3 time AIME Qualifier (highest score 6, AMC12 121.5, AMC10 130.5)
Placed in local math competitions
USACO Silver Contestant
ARML A2 Member
1st Alternate State Piano Concerto
1st Alternate State Piano Trio
3rd Place State Bach Festival
Won local piano competitions
President’s Volunteer Service Award (Silver, from orchestra)
Varsity Tennis
Math Club President
Teach competition math at a middle school
Organizing math competition for middle schools similar to MathCounts

How do I look for ED, and will they be different from my chances for RD?

Thanks.

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Great stats, definitely a good chance. Yes, RD chances definitely decrease for everyone, and especially for M&T which is insanely hard to get into to begin with. I say if Penn M&T is your first choice then go for it. If you get rejected from M&T but accepted to Wharton, then the ED contract is no longer binding and you ca choose to go somewhere else if you want to.

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When you apply ED to M&T, you have the option to ED to Wharton as well. If you chose ED to both and were rejected by M&T, accepted by Wharton, your ED contract would be still binding. If you were deferred, The ED contract would be nullified.

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^ true what @f2000sa is saying sorry didn’t clarify that.U still have the option not to ED to Wharton, in which case Wharton is not binding if you do not get into M&T but only Wharton. So if M&T is your top choice but there some other place you would prefer above the wharton-only option, applying ED to Penn still makes sense. Of course if M&T is your first choice and Wharton the very next, designating Wharton as ED too makes sense.

@f2000sa any idea if both of following alternative scenarios are possible:

deferred to RD, considered again for M&T during RD, if rejected, then considered for Wharton RD.
rejected from M&T during ED, deferred to RD and considered only for Wharton RD.

I read somewhere on here that if deferred it will only be case 1, not case 2 but not sure

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@Penn95

If you chose ED to both, and were deferred by M&T, you would not be considered as ED to Wharton. You would be reconsidered during RD round both for M&T and Wharton. If you were rejected by M&T during ED round, you would be considered ED to Wharton. If you were deferred by Wharton, you would be re-considered only for Wharton during RD round.

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@f2000sa @Penn95

Thanks, ok I see. So if I only choose ED to M&T and get deferred, would there be an option to be considered RD for Wharton if I am rejected RD M&T?

And if I apply RD to M&T and get deferred from M&T, will I be deferred from the UPenn or will I be considered for Wharton?

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@basketballstar24 The answer to first question is yes. There is no deferral in RD round. Only waiting list.

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@f2000sa Oh ok, would I just notify Penn that I want to be considered for Wharton as well as M&T during RD?

So if I am waitlisted for M&T during RD, will I be waitlisted for the entire school or be considered for Wharton first?

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@basketballstar24 I think if you apply to M&T RD and are waitlisted -then you most likely would have been offered acceptance into Wharton (if that is your choice)… in other words you wouldn’t be waitlisted for both M&T and Wharton. You would be denied/waitlisted M&T and accepted into Wharton or denied M&T and denied Wharton.

also I have heard if you are deferred from ED then you will not be waitlisted during RD -instead you will either be accepted or denied during RD.