<p>Okey dokes so I got a 1990 (630 R, 720 M, 640 W) on my SAT's, a 26 on ACT, Lots of A.P/Honor Classes but a 3.6 unweighted GPA a...
-National Achievement Semi-finalist,
-President Philosophy Club
-National Honor Society
-All Academic Team Ohio,
-Captain Men's Volleyball team,
-Junior Olympic Men's Volleyball player,
-God, Flag, Country Speech winner; invitee to state tournament,
-Junior Council in World Affairs; placed 13th in regional 2006; placed 5th 2007,
-Selected as a mentor for the DARE program sophomore and junior years,
-Published in Minds Eye(Publication Magazine)
-Ski Club
-Rock climbing club
-Muse Machine
-Math Club
-Spanish Club
-Art Club
-Dedicated Individuals Rebuilding Tomorrow Today
-Volunteering at Hospital 70 hrs
-Interning with Infection Control Practitioner at Greene Memorial 130 hrs</p>
<p>yes, I think you'll get in</p>
<p>what about your social and economic status's.</p>
<p>No offense, but you seem to have an overwhelmingly long laundry list.
Besides the Internship, Volunteering, and incredible sports achievement, it seems a bit dull.
If you're going to play volleyball in college, and would get recruited for it, you're probably in.
If your parents earn over 80k+ a year, your chances go down a bit, considering that low SAT scores and URM status are best on an application when they're combined with a low family income.
I'd say you have a 50/50 chance, which is considerably higher than anyone else probably here.</p>
<p>Yeah my social and economic status is well above average(my dads a doctor)...UPENN only has a men's volleyball club team so I can't play collegiately, but I plan on taking the SAT again to improve my score...what do you think I need to do to boost my chances?</p>
<p>I think you should definitely not do the laundry list on your college apps. You have enough amazing things that stand out to boost you through with athletics, philosophy club, etc. But If you list like Art Club, Math Club, Spanish Club, that will look suspicious because it's so over the place.
You seem to be good at public speaking, so concentrate on those ones, like DARE, World Affairs etc.
And make your essay meaningful.</p>
<p>zester, 80k is quite an odd number. and i would go off on a limb and say it is quite laughable to believe that his chances will go down if his parents make over 80k. his urm status is a urm status. i PERSONALLY dont believe anything can ever take that away. even if his parents make a mil a year. thus, i object to racial aa. but that's another story.</p>
<p>to the op, my stances on aa is not an issue against you. but i do think if you want to raise your chances i would raise the sat score above a 2050, which is quite feasible. did you take the sat II tests by any chance?</p>
<p>Mathmajor,
The point is that URM doesn't apply if you're rich with low SAT scores, ever.
Affirmative Action was supposed to fix the wrongs of the past, because people of URM status were usually in a lower socioeconomic class than the white majority.
Therefore, it's not that his chances will go down with the 80k, but he won't have an excuse for a low SAT, and the URM status won't have quite the umph.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if he had his SAT score, with a 30k family income, then he'd have a much higher chance. It'd be higher with an even higher SAT score.
And why that would be - simply because Adcoms assume that a wealthy family would afford SAT Prep classes, more ACT tests, etc.</p>
<p>actually the urm status will have quite the umph.
hahah and it DOES apply if you are wealthy with low SAT scores. it doesnt matter. universities strive for diversity, african americans provide that diversity. you dont see statistics of economic classes, but for racial classes. the op will get the hook no matter what. </p>
<p>affirmative action was "supposed" to fix the wrongs of the past. it never happened. asians were discriminated incredibly harshly yet never got a bump in the admissions cycle. it doesnt work that way. the fact and REALITY is, the op will get a bump because of his racial hook. if his family made 100 k more or 50 k less, the bump that he gets from being aa will be the same. if he was poorer he will get yet ANOTHER "disadvantaged upbringing" bump. but this bump is distinct and separable from the racial bump.</p>
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The point is that URM doesn't apply if you're rich with low SAT scores, ever.
Affirmative Action was supposed to fix the wrongs of the past, because people of URM status were usually in a lower socioeconomic class than the white majority.
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<p>Let's just say there's a difference between what AA was "supposed" to be and what it has become.</p>
<p>I wish it worked the way you described it. Until then I will continue to oppose it. But regardless, it will help Ahmed's application and he should take advantage of it.</p>
<p>lol you guys crack me up...and no i did not take the SAT II's</p>
<p>ahmed, well if are not planning on taking the sat II's you need to really raise your ACT score.</p>
<p>because i believe that if you send in your sat score you are REQUIRED to have 2 sat II scores. but if you send in the ACT score that can be free standing. and since you dont have any sat II scores and will not take any, you need to raise the ACT.</p>
<p>zester, please tell me how an admissions team can find out how much your family makes? isnt penn "need-blind". they dont take how much your family makes into consideration while making their descisions. isnt the financial aid office separate from the admissions office? the admissions team doesnt know and will not find out how much you make so how in the world can they give a poor applicant a boost?</p>
<p>i do plan on taking the SAT II's but can anyone tell me if i can take both the SAT subject test and SAT on the same day?</p>
<p>no i dont think you can. you need to take them on separate days.</p>
<p>you can take up to 3 SAT subject tests or one SAT I on one testing day.</p>
<p>Mathmajor,</p>
<p>It'll suck for him if he does get in, and then they make him have to pay 50% of the tuition because of his parents' income, that's what.
Need blind applies to an extend. Almost full tuition for <60k a year.</p>
<p>Plus, the family wealth will be implied when they ask about your parents education. You wouldn't expect a doctor to be earning 30k.</p>
<p>Anyway, that's irrelevant, and I'm not discouraging him to apply, but be wary of those two points when you apply (not guaranteeing admission simply on URM, or that you'll get full tuition)</p>
<p>i dont think it will suck for him if he does get in. if his parents can afford it... why not?</p>
<p>my parents are paying full price. they will be struggling to do so, but we think it is worth it. especially if his dad is a doctor, im sure on a conservative estimate, his income is 200k+ pre tax. and that alone if only 200k, depending on where he lives, can provide a struggle. </p>
<p>and i am not saying 200k is not way above the average and it is very fortunate for him to have such a background compared to the very low income families which i highly admire. but im saying 200k depending on where he lives does not do much. provided he lives in a normal southern californian suburban 800k house, his tuition will be 50 k tution a year. that comes out to be approx 100 k a year on house and tuition a year alone (assuming around 4.5 k a month for a house like that). after tax a 200k salary comes out to be 130k. so now the family has 30 k for car, health, and house insurance, car payments, food for a year...thats 2.5 k a month. now two car payments including insurance will come out to be 1200 a month. add on about 800 a month for food and supplies. that leaves 500 dollars a month for health and house insurance? what about gas? what about the electricity and gas bills? its a stuggle... but once again i know other people have it worse and im not trying to appear elitist...</p>
<p>people who go to harvard can be teaching in a high school and not make much money.. approx 60 k. family wealth is not implied. theres no where on the application where it asks what your parents do.. unless im wrong (i applied last year)</p>
<p>yea thats what i'm signed up for now</p>
<p>Penn is need blind, admissions doesnt look at parents salary</p>