<p>jeez.</p>
<p>ANYWAY, do you think letters from schools that do pre-screen would be more valuable than an endorsement from Harvard who supports anyone?</p>
<p>And Sakky, do you know what are the minimum requirements for pre-med students to get letters of rec. from JHU? If you don't, I'll just ask them myself.</p>
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uhh, if wut ur saying is that wut i say isnt valid then i will have no problem reporting you.
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<p>Reporting me for what? For contradicting you? You have contradicted me and others here many times. Should I report you for all the times you contradicted me?</p>
<p>Spikedsoymilk, here's an article that may satisfy your curiosity about JHU. Let me reiterate that I disagree strongly with the way that Hopkins runs its committee because it seems to me that they truly are behaving in the obstructionist manner that doogie311 has referred to. But, it is what it is. </p>
<p>The point is, I agree with doogie311 that the Hopkins 90%+ placement rate is rather artificial given the actionsr of the committee, although, I don't think that even that by itself can account for the differnence between a 90% placement rate and a 40-60% placement rate enjoyed by many public schools. However, it does not seem like the high Harvard placement rate can be attributed to the actions of the committee. </p>
<p>As far as letters being valuable or not depending on whether the school will give them to anybody who requests one or not, well, again, clearly given Harvard premed's high placement rate, it doesn't seem to be hurting them too badly. Same is true of the Stanford premeds and premeds of other peer schools. So I can't imagine that it would make too much of a difference. </p>
<p>heres what i said </p>
<p>"uhh, if wut ur saying is that wut i say isnt valid then i will have no problem reporting you"</p>
<p>read it again and see if you can find why i am on the verge of reporting you.</p>
<p>I am saying that you have your evidence, and I have mine, and we will let the readers decide who to believe.</p>
<p>If you don't like it, go ahead, report me. See what the moderators will tell you.</p>
<p>Back to the original question, Rice provides a great pre-med experience, especially with the Texas Medical Center literally right across the street.</p>
<p>NORTHWESTERN ALL THE WAYYY!!!!!! No, seriously, northwestern has an awesome pre med program with 80% acceptance rate without any pre- application screening that other colleges do. This is mostly attributed to our insanely difficult science classes. Our Organic Chemistry program is the 2nd or 3rd most difficult in the country. If you can survive northwestern, you will get into a great Med School.</p>
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<p>Really? Why do you say that? I would argue that the OChem programs at, say, MIT, Caltech, and Harvey Mudd are no walks in the park by any means. Are you sure that NW is really more difficult than those schools? If so, why do you say that?</p>
<p>jeeze, why do u always question people. Its like you are trying to prove to the world that everyone else is wrong and your right. Its getting old guy.</p>
<p>I never said that I was always right and others are wrong. </p>
<p>However, the point of a discussion board is to hear a diverse set of opinions. Why even have a board if you can't get different answers from different people? The value of CC is that you ask a question, you get a wide range of answers, and then you can decide for yourself what to believe. </p>
<p>My take is, you can post any opinion you want, but you should be prepared to defend it. A person said that he/she believes the NW OChem program is the 2nd or 3rd best such program in the country. Ok, fine. I would like to see the justification for that. I am sure the original poster would too.</p>
<p>The value of CC is that you ask a question, you get a wide range of answers, and then you can decide for yourself what to believe. </p>
<p>exactly, so stop getting on everyone's case for posting something you dont accept/agree with.</p>
<p>Why not? I think people should defend their arguments. I know I do when I'm asked. If you don't defend your argument, then I think it's fair for the readers here on CC to take that fact into consideration. </p>
<p>And it's also for my elucidation as well. The person made an assertion that I don't think i agree with. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just saying that I would like to see the evidence. If evidence is produced that I think is strong, then I will graciously concede that he's right. But if not, hey, what do you want me to do?</p>
<p>sakky,</p>
<p>Having been on the receiving end of your unyielding convictions on issues, I think I'll weigh in a bit.</p>
<p>I agree with your very Millsian view of challenging opinions. However, you sometimes go overboard and present yourself as obsessive with tiny, niggling issues. I don't doubt your wisdom when it comes to the way the game is played, I doubt your wisdom with how you make that knowledge apparent.</p>
<p>You harp on the same issues (not saying I don't, but I enjoy the benefit of being a third party here) over and over again. The thread about Harvard engineering is a good example. There are times that you just need to say, "Okay, time to move on with my life." I respect your ability to use supporting data, logic, and experience to make a point, but when you write four page long posts that could instead be answered with four paragraphs, it makes you seem pompous. Yes, the length of the post matters. Sometimes, and please don't take this too harshly, it seems like you just like to see yourself type. I'm guilty of the same thing, but I've tried to cut it down as much as possible.</p>
<p>Don't take this as too severe of an attack. Take this as an observation from someone who respects your contributions to these boards, but otherwise thinks that you have areas you could improve on.</p>
<p>The fact is, there have been times that I've observed you making a brilliant post, only to have someone contradict it. It often leads to you writing about 400 posts detailing, with the utmost attention to minutae, how they're wrong. In the end, I've found myself forgetting the original wisdom because I've just grown tired of watching you and your opponent de jure duke it out over the course of several pages.</p>
<p>sakky + doogie... after reading this lame argument, you guys are both losers</p>
<p>no worries sakky, i took care of the last message by stonecold. I doubt he will be saying anything more about us.</p>
<p>Both of you (doogie and sakky) seem very knowledgable on the subject, and seeing as I am a current High School Senior (double enrolled as a freshman in college) i have wanted to go to MS since i was very little and I need to start picking a pre-med undergrad school post stat. Please feel free to E-mail me with any advice/suggestions/questions as it would be greatly appreciated</p>
<p>well what i was told my my cousin (vascular surgeon), doctors, pre-meds, and current medical student was go wherever you want, and wherever you think you will do well.</p>
<p>obviously, if you go ivy league and do well and have everything a medical school is looking for you will be considered before a student at just any run of the mill college. </p>
<p>With that said, you want to stick with colleges with high medical school acceptance rates. Many schools dont post this number. But be careful, as sakky and i discussed, there are some schools out there that have an advisory committee. At those particular schools, they only give out letters supporting a medical school applicant if they feel that applicant is a competitive candidate. This will boost their rates. But this can be found out through a simple e-mail, they may sugar coat it if they do, but just ask about a committee like sakky has, they cant lie to you.</p>
<p>So in addition to checking these rates, you want to look for schools with a close affiliation with major hospitals/medical schools. This isnt necessary of course, but it can be beneficial. For example, if you go to Columbia for undergrad and you choose to apply to Columbias medical school, they will automatically give you an interview since you went undergrad there. This could mean the difference between acceptance and rejection. Furthermore, if you are near a major medical center, there are opportunities for internships/shadowing so you can get to know doctors who could ride you nice letters of recs for medical school.</p>
<p>Id keep all these things in mind when choosing an undergrad, but the most important thing is GPA/MCAT's. Go to a school that you will enjoy being at, that you can do well in, and that will prepare you for your MCAT's. With a high GPA and a high MCAT, with the right letters of recs and EC's, you can write your ticket anywhere.</p>
<p>To UCLAri,</p>
<p>Come on now. Like I've said many times, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. Or just read only parts of them. Or just skim through them lightly. I would say that it's a general survival skill in college and in life. The truth is, you're not going to be able to carefully read everything that's been assigned to you or that you want to. Sometimes just reading the first and last sentences of a paragraph are all you have time for, so that you can get the main idea. </p>
<p>I fill my paragraphs with myriad support evidence for the people who are interested in that evidence. If you don't want to wade through the evidence and you just want the main point, then just read the first sentences of my paragraphs. It's completely optional for you to have to go through my entire analysis. It's there for the people who want it. If you don't want it, don't read it. </p>
<p>Besides, you've seen the other problem with making short posts - people then accuse you of overgeneralizing too much, or of not supporting your assertions. So you can't win. Post too much, and people accuse you of being too comprehensive. Post too little, and people accuse you of not supporting yourself. What do you want a guy to do?</p>
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<p>i'm not sure this is correct. Can you corroborate this? It seems to me that if this was true, then there would be no reason for any premed at Columbia to not apply to Columbia Med. After all, the worst thing that could happen is that they get rejected post-interview.</p>
<p>Yes i was told this by a columbia alum, who is now a physician and does the interviews for columbia for medical school. He has been doing them for a good 10 years.</p>
<p>Yea and all pre-meds usually do apply to Columbia if they graduated from the undergrad. They automatically get an interview spot as a graduate.</p>