What are some good Non-Ivy Pre-Med college programs

Pre-Med & Medical School Pre-Med Topics
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<p>sakky,</p>

<p>I told you not to get offended. And I sense offense in that post. In any case, there's a beauty to being concise. Just remember that. </p>

<p>Hey, I'm not saying that you don't pack your posts full of facts. They're chock full of facts, like Snickers bars are full of deliciousness. But sometimes, all those facts get to be too much, like a candy bar can make you feel ill. Moderation is key.</p>

<p>The point is, you tell everyone "well you can choose not to read my posts." That's a bit of a copout, I think. I say, make them more readable, and they'll speak for themselves. You've got enough clout, I'd say, to not have to back up every little statement with a link or three pages of exposition.</p>

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Yea and all pre-meds usually do apply to Columbia if they graduated from the undergrad. They automatically get an interview spot as a graduate.

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<p>There's a website that I think you know about that details the experiences of various premeds and their experiences with various med-schools. I can't post the name of the site because for some reason, posting its name is not allowed on CC. But I think you know which one it is (and if you really don't know, you can email me). </p>

<p>Anyway, the point is, there are plenty of Columbia premeds there who didn't even apply to Columbia Med. Which again, leads me to wonder why wouldn't they? If what you are saying is correct, then the worst thing that will happen is they get rejected post-interview. Yet plenty don't even apply. Doesn't make sense.</p>

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In any case, there's a beauty to being concise. Just remember that.

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<p>Hey, I once tried being concise. Know what happened? I got attacked for being 'too sweeping' and of not explaining myself. People went around saying "Sakky, you didn't talk about this-and-that exception, and you didn't bring up this relevant fact, etc. etc." </p>

<p>The way I see it is, you can't win. No matter how I post, somebody's not going to like it.</p>

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<p>Let me put it this way: The people who will benefit the most will get the most out of concise posts. </p>

<p>That's at least what I figure. The rest of them can stuff it. If you need to be babied word-by-word...</p>

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<p>You like to argue dont you. I tell you who my source is, an interviewer and alum of columbia medical school and you still choose to play this game.</p>

<p>Im actually really curious now, are you even pre-med/medical school/physician?</p>

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<p>Look, I'm not trying to argue with anybody. It's just that you have presented something that is intriguing to me and surely others here. That's why it would be nice if you elaborated on it. For example, could you provide a name? Or some way that we could ask Columbia about it?</p>

<p>Now, if you don't want to, that's fine too. But then I think it's fair to provide the people here on CC with the means to find out for themselves what is going on.</p>

<p>And since you ask, no, I'm not in the health-profession. But so what? I'm not aware of any rule that says that you can't post here unless you are. I give people opinions, I give people evidence, and I let them decide for themselves what to think. What's wrong with that ?</p>

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<p>nothing, i find it funny u get worked up over something that doesnt really involve u.</p>

<p>And no, i choose not to provide a name because they are close family friends of mine and i dont think interviewers for medical schools want their names to be released</p>

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<p>Sorry to interject here,but can anybody explain to me what the deal is with liberal arts schools and science related majors? To elaborate, I'm in my sophomore year of college at the moment attending a state school (UNLV), and I've decided to take the reigns and transfer the hell out of here to major in neuroscience somewhere. Using the princeton review as my main source, i noticed that a lot of the colleges offering NS as a major were liberal arts schools(Amherst, Pomona, Vassar). To me, whenever I heard "liberal arts" I always imagined a bunch of english and philosophy majors sitting around campus getting high and discussing literature (slight exaggeration). Am I wrong here? Another thing is, after reading these boards I realized that grades are more important than school name, so I don't want to go to a school that's crazy competitive (was looking at UCSD but scratched 'em off the list after hearing some "all work/no play" stories). Basically I just want to (somewhat) relax and enjoy these years leading up to med school by finding a not overly competitive school with a nice campus/study enviroment (also don't want to pay out the nose for tuition since assuming I make it to med school that will probably be around 200k in and of itself). Northeastern was one school of interest to me, and I think I can probably get in with my current GPA (3.5). Anybody know how they rank as far as med school entrance? Also, if anybody feels like going out of their way to help me out, here's</a> a list of all the schools offering a NS major. Feel free to recommend one.</p>

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<p>doogie, it's really hard to believe you when you never provide a name but speak only of what you're told.</p>

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<p>saaky why are you interested in pre-med topics and medicine so much on this site... are you so harsh bc you didnt get in or are you just interested in pre-med for some odd reason?</p>

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<p>ok, dont believe me, do the research yourself.</p>

<p>Im not releasing the names of family friends and interviewers that I know.</p>

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saaky why are you interested in pre-med topics and medicine so much on this site... are you so harsh bc you didnt get in or are you just interested in pre-med for some odd reason?

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<p>There are people here who do know my background, and trust me, I'm doing just fine for myself.</p>

<p>I find the entire premed process to be an interesting subject, despite me not having any personal stake in the matter. I've seen many people go through the process and suffer accordingly and I've seen many tactics that I would consider downright unethical that have actually worked. In particular, I think there are many myths and legends about the premed process that need to be dispelled.</p>

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<p>What particularly bothers me is that I have two friends in med school that stick out in my mind.</p>

<p>One cheated his way through college. The other took the high road and took classes for the love of education. One is at Harvard, the other is at a no-name med school. The one at Harvard will probably be just as unethical as a physician as he was an undergrad. The one at the no-name will probably be the best doctor I'll ever know. </p>

<p>Which one will get better residency options? Hmm... Where's the karmic balance we're promised...</p>

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<p>Hey trappedinvegas</p>

<p>I did exactly what your intending to do. I transferred from UNLV as a bio major to USC as a neuroscience major. Im a soph. now. Lemme tell ya, USC is an awesome school and the neuro program here seems promising. U will definately have some free time to party n stuff. Man, i party at least twice a week. But yea, check out SC.</p>

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<p>Colby College in Maine seems good; from their website: "The rate of acceptance among Colby students who apply to medical and dental schools is consistently above the national average. Since 1985-86, approximately 80% of our students who have applied to medical school have been accepted."</p>

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<p>I'd like to challenge sakky's earlier post about not being able to do well at mit if don't have the natural talent. tons of guys at my house have close to 5.0's and they aren't the smartest group - they just work hard when they need to. if you work hard here at mit, you will do fine. if you work hard anywhere, you will do fine.</p>

<p>p.s. i know one of the duke med school admissioners personally and he told me that they do take into account the difficulty of the school.</p>

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<p>Consider Juniata College. Their acceptance rate is aound 95%</p>

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<p>sakky doesnt like to listen to people who say they heard stuff from people streelight.</p>

<p>However, i believe you :)</p>

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I'd like to challenge sakky's earlier post about not being able to do well at mit if don't have the natural talent. tons of guys at my house have close to 5.0's and they aren't the smartest group - they just work hard when they need to. if you work hard here at mit, you will do fine. if you work hard anywhere, you will do fine.

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<p>I'll put it to you this way. Why don't you make a declaration in the Tech that anybody can get a 5.0 in any major as long as he simply works hard. Or how about we just go to the MIT section of CC and you can make the same declaration. Hey, if you're right, then you will be able to defeat all challengers, right? So when some MIT student challenges your Tech article or your CC posting and talks about how he/she workse extremely hard and still can't get anywhere close to a 5.0, you're going to be prepared to call that person a liar, right? </p>

<p>Or let me put it to you this way. We both know that MIT has a strong reputation for rigor and difficulty. You pick up any college guide and you can read about MIT's penchant for difficult coursework and extremely hard-working students. You can read the comments of MIT profs and administrators lauding MIT's tradition for refusing to make things easy for the students, and how having an MIT degree instantly confers seriousness of purpose and proof of toughness and work ethic. And you may know how MIT vies with a certain school in Pasadena every year for being the 'toughest' school in the country.</p>

<p>But now think about what you're saying. You're basically saying that all of that is a sham - that people who are, by your words, not the best, can come to MIT and still get close to straight A's. In other words, MIT is not really that rigorous and tough at all. If it is really true what you're saying, then the world ought to have far less respect for people who get do well at MIT. After all, if what you are saying is true, then you can get high grades at MIT without being that smart. I guess it's good for future employers to know that so they will discount MIT's apparently undeserved reputation. Are you really prepared to publicly contradict MIT's vaunted reputation for toughness? </p>

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p.s. i know one of the duke med school admissioners personally and he told me that they do take into account the difficulty of the school.

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<p>Admissions officers can SAY anything they want. Yet it still doesn't explain why is it that admitted MIT premeds seem to require the same kinds of grades as other people who get admitted. If it was really true that compensation was given, then MIT people should be getting in with lower grades, right? So why doesn't that happen?</p>

<p>What I think is occurring is that admissions officers might actually believe what they're saying. But the way they have actually set up the admissions system is that if you don't have decent grades, you won't even be invited to submit the secondary app, and it is your secondary app that is actually read carefully by a human being. And there are PLENTY of MIT students that don't have decent grades. Again, if you don't believe me, let's make a posting on the MIT section.</p>

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<p>Quote: </p>

<p>"Biff: Our Organic Chemistry program is the 2nd or 3rd most difficult in the country.</p>

<p>Sakky: Really? Why do you say that? I would argue that the OChem programs at, say, MIT, Caltech, and Harvey Mudd are no walks in the park by any means. Are you sure that NW is really more difficult than those schools? If so, why do you say that?"</p>

<p>Sorry for the Late reply. Here is the information about Northwestern and its chemistry program ranking in US News and World Report:</p>

<p>Chemistry Specialties
Ranked in 2002*</p>

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<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology</li>
<li> California Institute of Technology</li>
<li> Northwestern University (IL)</li>
</ol>

<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/phdsci/brief/chesp2_brief.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/phdsci/brief/chesp2_brief.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Hope this helps in choosing a good non-ivy College for Pre-MEd</p>