What are some negatives of UMich?

<p>Would the following high school student be accepted into Harvard?
ACT: 25
GPA: 3.4
Rank: 83/454</p>

<p>Uh…just to let you know…Harvard’s engineering<Michigan’s engineering. Harvard isn’t exactly known for it’s engineering program.</p>

<p>Aglages, it’s completely possible actually. The only reasoning behind the CE exams/GPA is to assess how well a student will most likely do once they go to a university. If a student has done extraordinary things in their area of interest then the GPA and the CE exam score become meaningless as the student shows that s/he is actually prepared for what they will encounter once they go to Harvard.</p>

<p>“Would the following high school student be accepted into Harvard?
ACT: 25
GPA: 3.4
Rank: 83/454”</p>

<p>That student probably won’t get into MSU. And if this guy did get into Michigan, it’s an exceptional case and certainly not the norm. Beyond that the fact that one guy got into Michigan with very poor stats doesn’t say anything about an student other than him.</p>

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Those 'things" would absolutely have to be extraordinary.</p>

<p>also…did you know that Harvard does not look at class rank? i know it doesnt sound believable, due to over half its undergrad population being sals and vals, but i think it just kinda works out that way.</p>

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<p>This guy is now loitering the Northwestern forum talking about how Duke and UChicago are better. Too many coincidences!!</p>

<p>motion12345,</p>

<p>No one cares that Michigan has better faculty members than Harvard in engineering or whatever. At the end of the day, a Harvard degree will open a lot more doors than the Michigan degree. All the big engineering companies like Google and Microsoft recruit tremendously more at Harvard because of the far superior student body.</p>

<p>Not really lesdiablebleus, Engineering firms recruit Engineers more activelly at Michigan than at Harvard. I am good friends with very senior HR people at Microsoft and Google. According to their HR databse, Google hired 21 Michigan students (all programs and all levels, not just undergraduate or Engineering) and 12 Harvard students last year. Microsoft hired 37 Michigan students (again, across all levelsand programs) and 16 Harvard students. </p>

<p>But one must keep in mind is that Michigan Engineers are very diversified. Lockheed Martin hired close to 40 Engineering students last year and Boeing, NASA, the US Airforce and Northrop Grumman hired roughly 30 Michigan Engineers. Not many Engineering programs can boast of having that many students recruited by such major Aerospace giants as those. </p>

<p>I agree that companies want talent, particularly in non-technical fields that can groom employees in a short period of time (Management Consulting and Investment Banking anyone?!). However, Engineering firms really need people with technical depth and in that regard, I think Michigan students may have an edge over Harvard students.</p>

<p>Ha!..lesdiablesbleus, Let’s see, Google is going to recruit at Harvard over Michigan. Maybe this is because Larry Page, a Michigan alumni, was one of the two founders of Google…hmm. Perhaps, this is because google has a site in Ann Arbor. Perhaps google is recruiting from Harvard for the site in Ann Arbor.</p>

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Do you have any facts to back up your claim? We already knew that Microsoft hires the most computer science graduates from the University of Illinois … at least according to Bill Gates.</p>

<p>Why do some people always use Google and Microsoft as examples of “big” engineering companies? This is a sure give away that the poster is not an engineer and has absolutely no clue about engineering careers.</p>

<p>bearcat and tenisghs,
I think you guys are right. The MO is too similar to be coincidental. Now if he mentions Medtronic…</p>

<p>just based on the career office survey(which has less than 50% response rate), 12 michigan engineering majors were hired last year for Microsoft, and 37 for Lockheed Martin. </p>

<p>harvard is a great school overall, but i don’t even think most people who end up going to michigan engineering apply to harvard even, people from oos at michigan engineering usually apply to MIT, Cornell, CMU, Georgia Tech, UIUC.</p>

<p>lol, UChicago is more like, “Where your liver goes to die.”</p>

<p>^What the heck are you talking about? That’s not even relevant to this thread, and completely wrong (assuming you were trying to say that UChicago students drink too much)</p>