What are the Lifetime Advantages of Attending Top Colleges

<p>With even a bit of self-consciousness, it must be clear to all ccer’s here that they are--one and all--elitists. Some, while reflecting on their puffy self-image, are comfortable with this fact and some aren’t. </p>

<p>Everyone here claims that they want the best school, period: No if, ands or buts. </p>

<p>No one, as best as I can read it, is willing to try some high-minded social engineering with their own off-spring, or their own lives, for the sake of a crystal-clear or highly lauded dogma or ideology. The difficulty this presents is, of course, that most of those posting here are at once both elitist and inordinately ideological—to be sure, relative to the population at large. </p>

<p>Some were saved the scourge of crossing that ideological picket line by lower test-scores, poor ec’s and general parental stinginess. Still, it must be cold-comfort, no matter how ideologically sound and socially correct it seems, to take pride in defending the "peculiar fact."</p>

<p>I chose to attend my favorite school, it offered what I wanted; it is also an elite school…I suppose this was not a coincidence: I doubt it ever is.</p>

<p>What I was pointing out was that here in Silicon Valley, which is DEFINITELY a neighborhood inasmuch as you wind up knowing way more people than seems physically possible as you all switch jobs and work with someone who knows someone who knows your friend at some point, it's the kind of atmosphere where everyone knows about Princeton. But this is a weird place - very focused on achievement and in particular on intellectual achievement because high-tech for so long was the territory of the way-too-brilliant. Frankly I find myself hoping that the deference D gets when she tells people where she goes to college - which I think is only when she gets asks or at least that's what I've seen - I find myself hoping it doesn't go to her head because I know as well or better than anyone that she's got a lot of really hard work ahead of her AFTER she graduates to build a career, a family, and a life she is happy with.</p>

<p>Lifetime advantage of being <em>admitted</em> to one or more top colleges, assuming you applied there:
Not ever wondering how you would have felt if you had not gotten into any.
Comment?
(OK, that's probably short-term, rather than lifetime, and admitted is not the same as attending, so it's off topic. Mea culpa.)
Anyone get into a highly selective school and not get into another highly selective school? Go ahead, fess up, you know you want to:)
Even better:
Anyone get into a selective school but not get into one that was considered "more selective"?</p>

<p>steering back to the old ticker is never off-topic, Monty, and speaking of feelings gets to the hearty of the matter with a suddeness that cuts through much of squirming rationales. How will you feel? Never to have stood astride the salty deck and heard a scream from the crow''s nest "Ivy-Ho, Ivy-Ho" and seen that distant shore approaching,..and from the dry desk to look back at that mirage forever never having walked that plank. No, you must go, you must breach and weave with the other cerebral dolphins or spend your rest of days wondering could I too have been a pirate?</p>

<p>montrose: since I interview for Brown and I follow up with the kids I have seen Brown deny plenty of kids who wind up admitted to other highly selective schools. (Yale & Stanford recently.) </p>

<p>I was admitted to Brown, Cornell, Amherst, Wesleyan, Kenyon, Bryn Mawr</p>

<p>WL at Princeton (did not stay on WL)</p>

<p>Denied at Williams</p>

<p>I believe the importance of the "feeling" rorosen and montrose refer to can't be underestimated. The social values and aspirations of one's "neighborhood" (in the Silicon Valley sense of the word) will determine which feelings of accomplishment a student will aspire to. Obviously, one's aspirations are hemmed in by ability, opportunity and other factors, but societal and peer groups expectations are a primary determinant.</p>

<p>When I returrned to my home town in another state for a family reunion, I was struck by the difference in the nature of the aspirations of the ambitious young. There, the ideal for an industrious boy would be to work for a while with another plumber, electrician, contractor, accountant, and then eventually take over and become boss or start one's own businesss in that trade. A girl would likely go to college to major in education. Yes, the reunion was a limited sampling of people, but having grown up in that area I can attest to the fact that those particular aspirations were common. Thus, what would feel good to a young man in that environment would be to gradually move up the ladder in a trade until one reached the status of boss. A girl would feel good being a teacher and then raising a family. Ivy League schools are not anywhere on the radar.</p>

<p>Where I live now, the goal for ambitious young people is to get into a very good college (Ivy if possible) and perhaps afterward a good med./law/business/grad school, and in that way open the doors to working in a top company/ law firm/ hospital, etc. It is a wannabe type of place, where Ivy League admissions have not been so numerous in the past so as to be commonplace or expected or even passe just yet. Thus, getting in feels very, very good. And getting in generates envy from those who didn't, which in turn may yield negative comments springing from jealousy.</p>

<p>Travel north into a more elite county in my state, and there you'll find Ivy admissions to have been part of the landscape for years. No doubt it still feels good to win the prize, but it's not as impressive or awe-inspiring since plenty of kids have been getting in for years. Big deal. No one would even bat an eye to hear a child got into HPYS. There, perhaps new or augmented aspirations have taken hold.</p>

<p>Striving toward what you've been taught is a valued goal, is an aspect of socialization. Accomplishing the objective feels good and right because you've been taught it is. It is a kind of comformity. Conformity, though we may claim to despise it, is a glue which holds society together. Its opposite is chaos. People are motivated to work toward that feeling of doing what is good--whatever the particular cultural or peer group definition of good is.</p>

<p>As a parent, I was reluctant to say no to the expensive elite school because I understood that there my son would feel he was doing what was good, given the values of our "neighborhood" and his peer group. I could have insisted he attend the more affordable school, but he wouldn't have ever felt good about it. Facts and arguments are somewhat irrelevant, since, to quote rorosen, it's "hearty".</p>

<p>As for the prevailing culture of my 'hood (northern Ca. suburbs), my HS guidance counselor was a Cornell alum who encouraged me to apply (and even sang me the fight song!).</p>

<p>Princeton would have been heard of/known by most in my community, but the rest of my list was schools that most of my friends & neighbors were not familiar with. </p>

<p>However, <em>I</em> had wanted to go east for college since I had seen Love Story at the multiplex at the mall when I was about 12. It mattered to me. I don't recall the prestge being seminal per se, it was the whole feel of "brick buildings, ivy, snow, tradition, east coast" for me.</p>

<p>The plumber, electrician, etc. will likely continue to have a job when everything but the service industry is outsourced. </p>

<p>Long live tradesmen! They are at least as important as Harvard grads!</p>

<p>"Long live tradesmen! They are at least as important as Harvard grads!"</p>

<p>...and probably richer too, have you tried to find one to hire recently, and once you did, pay them?!!</p>

<p>I agree that there is a "feel good" advantage to going to an elite. Pride and "bragging rights" for the parents are also part of the equation. The top schools seem to find their way onto graduation party invitations with alarming frequency. What I have trouble with is the other side of this - those who choose to go to a state U in an area that values prestige (NEast for example) are often made to feel inferior. My son chose a highly regarded and competitive honors program at a State U where his major is ranked in the top 20. He choose it over a few top 30 - 50 private schools. He loves sports and the "big campus" environment so it's a good fit for him. He (and we) are constantly asked why this choice was made when so many other "fine" choices were available. The assumption is that we (the parents) are either poor (not true) or cheap (also not true). We were willing and able to pay for his other private school choices. The other common implication seems to be that my son is an underacheiver and wants to go the "easy route". This is infuriating! The real story is that he was rejected and waitlisted from his top two choices and, moving on from that, he made the decision that state U honors college was a good match for him. We are very proud of him and his accomplishments- but I must admit we are unable to participate in "bragging" rights since his choice is viewed as inferior around here. Because his choice costs a total of over 150K less than the other privates - we will be able to help him with grad school or other pursuits. So at least this is a clear advantage! I want to move to the midwest!</p>

<p>Toneranger, I understand exactly what you're going through because I've seen that dynamic in play here. In general, the culture here seems very judgmental, as I have had people make very rude and meddlesome comments about just about every parenting decision. It took me a while to realize that there wasn't any more wrong with me than there had ever been, and that I wasn't drawing those comments because of any particular attitude or behavior of mine. It's just the kind of place where if you're minding your own business at the playground, some woman will come up to you and say "Don't you know your daughter's too young to be eating popcorn. She could choke!" Fast forward 15 years, and someone will say "Your daughter's going to Yale? No way would I pay that kind of money. Don't you know those schools are overrated?"</p>

<p>People just need to mind their own business, and leave others to make decisions how they see fit. Lately, there have been quite a few high schoolers getting into all manner of trouble around here. Each time I hear a new sad story, I am grateful my son is happy, healthy and motivated enough to want to work hard and/or go to college. Ultimately, the rest doesn't much matter. We should all feel grateful and proud of our kids for making it through adolescence in these tough times.</p>

<p>People just need to mind their own business, and leave others to make decisions how they see fit.</p>

<p>um personally I like to hear other opinons even if I dont agree with them- that is why I have over 4000 posts!
If I wasnt interested I would find some other way to procrastinate! :)</p>

<p>4,145 to be exact, but who is counting.</p>

<p>I was at a goodbye luncheon for a friend who's returning to the north with her family, and I jokingly said to her (in front of some other women) "Well, I guess we'll see each other at Dartmouth freshman orientation!" as her son (our boys are 13) has already said he wants to go there and wears a Dmouth sweatshirt. It cast a virtual pall over the table and the women gave me daggers! (not the boy's mom, though) I was just KIDDING but I guess even aspiring to something other than State is a no-no. Give me a break!</p>

<p>So - it goes both ways. The educational "snobs" make the state u attendees feel inferior - and the educational "reverse snobs" make the ivy attendees feel like insensitive elitists. This is depressing.</p>

<p>anyway
I admit I chuckled when my inlaws ( who were not impressed that we sent our kids to private school- who didn't understand why she would want to go out of state when the university of washington was right there if we * had to make her* go to college)- were telling their neighbors that they were going down to Reed to see her graduate.</p>

<p>Ironically, the neighbors daughter at that moment was touring Reed and hoping to get in and the neighbors were very impressed that their granddaughter not only was accepted at Reed- but was actually * graduating!*
So while they weren't impressed on its own merits, they were impressed that the * neighbors* were impressed
ROFLAO</p>

<p>What works for me is </p>

<p>no worries, I'll send her any school that you are willing to write the checks for over the next 4 years. </p>

<p>Could be seen as a lack of tact, but hey, someone demonstrated a lack of tact when the made the statement so I would call it a wash. You may get a cutting look or 2, but it seems to shut people right down.</p>

<p>* The educational "snobs" make the state u attendees feel inferior - and the educational "reverse snobs" make the ivy attendees feel like insensitive elitists. This is depressing.*</p>

<p>I don't think it is depressing- its just a lack of information besides as Eleanor Roosevelt so wisely said "* No one can make you feel inferior without your consent*"</p>

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So - it goes both ways. The educational "snobs" make the state u attendees feel inferior - and the educational "reverse snobs" make the ivy attendees feel like insensitive elitists. This is depressing.

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<p>I don't really feel inferior to most of the private university grads. I'm more envious of them, than anything. Oh, the delicious resources!</p>

<p>But then again, I do kinda pity most of the East Coasters, what with all that "snow" and "cold." Oh, how I pity them. :)</p>

<p>emerald: There is a significant difference between solicited and unsolicited opinions, and whether they come from strangers or from folks who know you and have a relationship of some kind with you. As for CC, it's a virtual society of strangers who for some irrational reason become addicted to listening to the opinions of other total strangers. It seems the only rule on CC is to be polite when commenting.</p>