What are the Public Ivies?

College Search & Selection
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<p>is that why UCLA has like 10k more applicants than berkeley? Having that number is still a very impressive feat (especially considering that it isn’t even on the commonapp; if it were, it probably would have broken +100k a long time ago; something which it’ll probably do next year.)</p>

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<p>^^^^California public schools don’t need to be on the CA. They already have one instate. UCLA has more applicants than Cal simply because there are many more people in Southern California than Northern California. :-)</p>

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<p>“Engineering prowess doesn’t make a school great rjkofnovi. Princeton has no professional programs and is still considered a top 5 American university.”</p>

<p>Not a good example golden. Princeton is EXCELLENT in engineering.</p>

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<p>I think it actually takes 9 checks … and $540 …</p>

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<p>Bottom-line is that the word “Ivy League” stands for prestige. The Ivy Leagues are what they are because all the prestige *hores in the world recognize their names (whether they deserve it or not). I can tell you as a matter of fact that the only two U.S public school names out there that have an inkling of recognition in the majority of the European population are “Berkeley” and “UCLA.”</p>

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<p>I can tell you as a matter of fact that the only two U.S public school names out there that have an inkling of recognition in the majority of the European population are “Berkeley” and “UCLA.”</p>

<p>Please supply your list of “facts.” I’d love to see them.</p>

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<p>"^^^^California public schools don’t need to be on the CA. They already have one instate. UCLA has more applicants than Cal simply because there are many more people in Southern California than Northern California. :-)"</p>

<p>No school “needs” to be on the common app. But Michigan, UVA, and UNC are. I’m sure if the UCs were on there, they’d get many more applicants.</p>

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<p>How about the fact that I’ve lived throughout Europe almost my entire life and I know the cultural mindset of the people…</p>

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<p>California has MANY more people in it than the combined population of Michigan, Virginia, and North Carolina. It really isn’t too hard to figure out why UC schools are not on the CA, nor need to be.</p>

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<p>“How about the fact that I’ve lived throughout Europe almost my entire life and I know the cultural mindset of the people…”</p>

<p>So all of your acquaintances are familiar with UCLA because you constantly bring it their attention. I got it.</p>

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<p>^Sure why not… That’s precisely what I said -_- You’re so wrong it’s not even worth talking about it.</p>

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<p>^^^^^^Yeah, sure. :-)</p>

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<p>Of the original [‘Public</a> Ivies’](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivies]'Public”>Public Ivy - Wikipedia), which ones do you think ended up on the list of [U.S&lt;/a&gt; News and World Report Best Undergraduate Teaching](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching]U.S”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching)?:

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<p>“Unusually strong “commitment to undergraduate teaching”” is a philosophy that an instituion has to develop over a long period of time with policy and staff recruitment. Take for example UMBC noted below and the [60</a> Minutes profile](<a href=“http://my.umbc.edu/news/9968]60”>http://my.umbc.edu/news/9968) discussing their philosophy.</p>

<p>The USNWR Best Undergraduate Teaching (Red is an original Public Ivy):
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<a href=“#1”></a>Dartmouth College
<a href=“#1”></a>Princeton University
<a href=“#3”></a>Miami University–Oxford
<a href=“#4”></a>University of Maryland–Baltimore County
<a href=“#4”></a>Yale University
<a href=“#6”></a>Brown University
<a href=“#7”></a>Stanford University
<a href=“#8”></a>College of William and Mary
<a href=“#8”></a>University of California–Berkeley
<a href=“#8”></a>University of Notre Dame
<a href=“#11”></a>Clemson University
<a href=“#11”></a>University of Chicago
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<p>For Miami and William and Mary, here are the assessments made by the Fiske Guide highlighted in the [New</a> York Times](<a href=“Searching the Bargain Bin for a Premier Public Education - The New York Times”>Searching the Bargain Bin for a Premier Public Education - The New York Times):</p>

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<p>Ah, that magical sequence of words …that is supposed to mean something! What a joke! Twelve blind monkeys throwing darts at the first page of the survey would do just as well. Actually when factoring the absence of gamesmanship, probably a tad better.</p>

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I saw a 60 Minutes report on UMBC’s unique dedication to undergrad teaching in the sciences and engineering. Dartmouth and Princeton have long held reputations for a more undergrad focus. How do these schools end up at the top of a list for dedication to undergrad teaching? Is it just blind monkey’s throwing darts as xiggi claims? I don’t think so.</p>

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<p>“It really isn’t too hard to figure out why UC schools are not on the CA, nor need to be.”</p>

<p>you’re interpreting the commonapp as being a resource for universities that don’t have a lot of applicants. In reality, it’s actually just a convenient way for HS seniors/college transfers to apply to multiple universities. Putting, at least, UCLA and Berkeley on the commonapp would probably allow more people who’d be inclined to applying to them to do so. Hence, it would make perfect sense for them to be on the common app. EXCEPT, that since they were like 90% instate for a ridiculously long time, there’d be no point in it. Now that times are changing though, increase in applications, especially from international students, is surging.</p>

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<p>“In reality, it’s actually just a convenient way for HS seniors/college transfers to apply to multiple universities.”</p>

<p>Isn’t that in place already in California? I mean it’s easy to apply to ten UC schools with one application right now.</p>

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<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UVA
UCLA
UNC
UT Austin
Georgia Tech
Washington</p>

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<p>Cal
UCLA
UVa
Michigan
William and Mary
UNC
Georgia Tech
And maybe:
Florida
Georgia
UT Austin
Boulder</p>

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<p>Wisconsin belongs in that list as well. Besides prof. programs in many departments better than UT, G Tech and WA.</p>