<p>Agree, many don’t realize the old open admissions OSU is gone and it’s getting very competitve.</p>
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<p>Agreed - its quite annoying. I think she has the same spiel on a sort of keybard speed dial. See a post, hit one key and boom the same many paragraphs about Bama appear</p>
<p>Is anybody else impressed by the numbers for Georgia Tech and how the school compares in this public school bake-off? Their standardized test scoring (absolute and depth) is quite impressive and the OOS price is a relative bargain compared to other very highly regarded engineering programs. I know that the school has a lopsided male/female ratio that is the bane of admissions directors, but IMO this is one public school that deserves a much higher national profile in all regions of the USA. </p>
<p>Also, Georgia Tech apparently engenders strong support among its alumni. Among public colleges, it has the highest annual giving rate in the USA.</p>
<p>Right, a lot of the % out of state is based on guidelines by the state gov’t. For example my sis did not get into UNC, but got into Notre Dame because UNC is required to take so few out of state. (She ended up transferring to UNC BTW)</p>
<p>I realize that I did not sort the Student Depth numbers above. Following is how they sorted (giving equal weight to combined SAT and the overall ACT):</p>
<pre><code>STUDENT BODY DEPTH
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<p>Overall , CR 700+ , CR 600+ , M 700+ , M 600+ , ACT 30+ , State University</p>
<p>59.38% , 41% , 84% , 35% , 83% , 58% , WILLIAM & MARY
58.75% , 29% , 72% , 51% , 83% , na , UC BERKELEY
52.63% , 32% , 78% , 40% , 83% , 47% , U VIRGINIA
50.38% , 22% , 73% , 46% , 86% , 44% , U MICHIGAN
48.38% , 19% , 74% , 47% , 95% , 38% , GEORGIA TECH
47.25% , 17% , 66% , 30% , 76% , na , U MARYLAND
46.13% , 12% , 49% , 52% , 88% , 42% , U ILLINOIS
45.50% , 25% , 75% , 30% , 82% , 38% , U N CAROLINA
45.00% , 20% , 67% , 40% , 77% , 39% , UCLA
41.75% , 16% , 58% , 40% , 84% , 34% , U WISCONSIN
37.50% , 17% , 65% , 25% , 73% , 30% , U FLORIDA
36.50% , 13% , 55% , 33% , 75% , 29% , UC SAN DIEGO
36.00% , 20% , 63% , 21% , 72% , 28% , U PITTSBURGH
33.75% , 15% , 55% , 25% , 67% , 27% , U TEXAS
33.38% , 18% , 55% , 28% , 70% , 24% , U MINNESOTA
31.75% , 7% , 43% , 15% , 62% , na , PENN STATE
31.75% , 7% , 44% , 14% , 62% , na , VIRGINIA TECH
31.63% , 10% , 51% , 22% , 70% , 25% , OHIO STATE
28.63% , 11% , 47% , 20% , 63% , 22% , U WASHINGTON
28.50% , 9% , 51% , 17% , 71% , 20% , CLEMSON
28.13% , 11% , 58% , 14% , 62% , 20% , U GEORGIA
22.63% , 6% , 31% , 14% , 50% , 20% , PURDUE
20.63% , 7% , 36% , 9% , 45% , 17% , INDIANA U</p>
<p>BTW, why isn’t U Maryland talked about more as a top public? It compares awfully close with some higher profile peers.</p>
<p>It lacks the top-notch academic reputation (or peer score ;-)) of the other top schools.</p>
<p>barrons,
Yes, I know that, but I’m not sure a) how accurate that is; or b) how impactful that truly is for the average undergraduate student. </p>
<p>I don’t know how U Maryland compared statistically a decade ago, but as I go thru the numbers today, I am surprised and impressed to see how well it compares on various measures related to the actual undergraduate experience (student body strength, size of classroom, teaching and institutional resources). Is it possible that it should be considered a Top 10 public? I’m leaning to a “yes” vote.</p>
<p>I’m surprised I havent seen Binghamton anywhere in this topic.</p>
<p>hawkette, pardon me, but I don’t think you understood my question correctly.</p>
<p>My question was, if you’re an OOS (meaning, you’re not eying on studying in your own flagship state uni), why would you enroll in OSU over Berkeley or Virginia? All 3 schools would cost almost similar to each other. </p>
<p>I gave those 3 schools as examples because all of them are in your top 10 list.</p>
<p>^^^^I honestly could see someone attending tOSU over UVA if they were interested in engineering or the natural sciences.</p>
<p>Maryland is a nice school, has become much more selective in recent years, but it’s never going to become like UVA, Michigan and Berkeley. SATs got nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>It seems as though many of the rankings leave out Midwestern (except Michigan, of course) schools in general. Those in Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, etc. I wonder sometimes if it is a numbers thing partially. Because those states have lower populations the rules for getting in to the flagships are different. I think it still is that if you graduate in the upper half of your class in Iowa, you are guaranteed admission to one of the state universities. In states that have very practical people, many plan to attend a state university; they don’t even consider anything else. And the reason for taking the ACT? Placement in freshman math, English, and science classes. </p>
<p>For many Midwestern universities, SAT scores, if available, would certainly not be valid for comparison. And I would guess that the number of students in the Midwest states I mentioned seldom re-take a standardized test. </p>
<p>And those states have very reasonable tuition and rates and some pretty good schoalrship money. They just seem to be off the radar every time people talk good schools. If you are looking for value, they should be in the mix.</p>
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<p>There seems to be a conservative lag in the Peer Assessments. Maryland is fighting an old reputation for being a sports-happy party school. </p>
<p>Paris Glendening (“Glen-Spending”) had taught at College Park for some 27 years before he became Governor of Maryland in 1995. He increased funding for education at all levels. His tenure coincided with the Internet technology boom. Although I don’t have any data at hand, I think you’d find a significant growth in US government, technology-related contract spending at the University of Maryland during the past 15 years. In addition, this period has seen growth both in the size of the federal government, and in Baltimore-Washington’s status as an Information Technology hub. This has made the area attractive to smart, well-educated people who want good affordable schools for their children.</p>
<p>At the same time, many top students in the sprawling DC suburbs still gravitate toward prestigious private schools. You’d probably find a much smaller percentage among them who view College Park as a first or second choice, compared to the number of Californians who see Berkeley or UCLA that way.There are simply so many great private schools in the NE. College Park also lacks the historic cache of UVa or William and Mary. I think of UVa as a public Ivy. I think of College Park as more like a parvenu Ag School.</p>
<p>My apologies to mp7, MD mom and others as I probably didn’t adequately disclose the universe from which I drew on in the creation of this thread. My data collection includes all national universities ranked in the USNWR Top 75. That includes 33 state universities. I pared that number down to a more manageable number of 23 State Us that IMO can legitimately be in the conversation for Top 10 Public for OOS students. </p>
<p>I concede that this may be a bit arbitrary, but I had to draw the line somewhere. Still, if you feel that a particular school or schools is being unfairly excluded, then please make the case. The objective was/is to expand the conversation, not limit it. </p>
<p>RML,
My Top 10 list was along the lines of a nomination list. I have not posted a Top 10 yet. </p>
<p>Re the cost for Ohio State, UC Berkeley, and U Virginia, according to USNWR, the OOS Tuition & Fees are:</p>
<p>$30,022 UC Berkeley
$31,870 U Virginia
$22,278 Ohio State</p>
<p>My guess is that when you add in room and board, the cost for UC Berkeley would be highest, followed closely by U Virginia and then a large drop to Ohio State.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I doubt many students would opt for Ohio State over either UC Berkeley or U Virginia which I consider as 1A and 1B for top publics for UNDERGRADUATE students in the USA (along with 1C William & Mary and 1D U North Carolina).</p>
<p>Tk,
I’d say that U Maryland’s lowish PA score is more than a “conservative lag” in peer assessments. PA scoring numbers hardly ever change. PA scoring is a charade whose fixed nature is unintentionally well articulated by kb in # 32 where he says that U Maryland is “never going to become like UVA, Michigan and Berkeley.” If you’re waiting for PA scores to accurately reflect what is taking place on various college campuses today, then expect accurate scores to show up when Godot does. </p>
<p>One very big change over the past few decades in Maryland and Virginia is the increase in the size of the federal government. I think that Maryland has been a beneficiary of this (particularly in health-related fields) and that U Maryland is obviously well-positioned geographically to reap some of the benefits. </p>
<p>Between the increased money and the increased population of Maryland and the higher numbers of strong IS students filing into College Park, maybe U Maryland deserves more respect and greater consideration from OOS students. BTW, OOS students make up 25% of the undergraduate population and the OOS T&F cost of $23,990 is significantly less than the bigger brands of UC Berkeley, U Virginia et al.</p>
<p>Here is some more data that could be useful for students who want to compare the classroom settings that they will encounter when they get to college:</p>
<p>SIZE OF THE CLASSROOM </p>
<pre><code> >50 students , <20 students , USNWR Faculty Resources Rank , State University
7.4% , 44.7% , 50 , WILLIAM & MARY
10.5% , 44.3% , 35 , U N CAROLINA
11.5% , 48.8% , 81 , CLEMSON
11.5% , 36.6% , 68 , U GEORGIA
13.7% , 35.2% , 137 , U MARYLAND
14.0% , 50.0% , 35 , U VIRGINIA
15.0% , 36.8% , 59 , PURDUE
15.1% , 60.3% , 35 , UC BERKELEY
15.9% , 43.0% , 109 , U MINNESOTA
16.0% , 44.5% , 109 , U PITTSBURGH
17.0% , 34.9% , 128 , U WASHINGTON
17.6% , 32.0% , 153 , PENN STATE
17.8% , 45.9% , 74 , U MICHIGAN
18.4% , 38.7% , 81 , U ILLINOIS
18.8% , 35.0% , 103 , OHIO STATE
18.8% , 33.8% , 193 , INDIANA U
19.3% , 43.8% , 86 , U WISCONSIN
20.4% , 54.1% , 43 , UCLA
21.4% , 24.3% , 167 , VIRGINIA TECH
21.8% , 39.7% , 68 , GEORGIA TECH
22.1% , 39.8% , 144 , U FLORIDA
23.3% , 36.3% , 109 , U TEXAS
29.5% , 41.9% , 95 , UC SAN DIEGO
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Not even close. OSU is far cheaper.</p>
<p>Sorry that people are beating up on you, mom2collegekids, but the UofA cheerleading is a bit loud. Lots of posts (almost 3000) for having been on this forum for less than 2 months. Something about mom2collegekids’ posts reminds me of an old poster, but I cannot remember who it was. Anyone else feel the familiarity? Can’t recall who it was, but the history sounds so familiar.</p>
<p>I enjoy the cheerleading. There aren’t many Alabama posters on this board.</p>
<p>But one deafeningly loud one makes up for the absence of others! LOL. It is a bit like a broken record. The solution to every college dilemma can’t be to go to UofA. Just my opinion, for what it is worth.</p>
<p>Dropout, I think she used to post a couple of years ago as jlauer95. She was pretty enthusiastic about Alabama back then, too.</p>