What are the Top 10 Publics for OOS students?

College Search & Selection
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<p>In today's demanding economic times, more and more students are considering OOS public universities in their college searches. At the same time, many of these publics are doing much more to attract OOS students who will pay a much higher price to attend than IS students. </p>

<p>So, what are the Top 10 Public Colleges in the USA for UNDERGRADUATE students who are coming from OOS? Which colleges provide the greatest bang for the bucks that prospective UNDERGRADUATE students and families will pay? </p>

<p>IMO, many colleges deserve consideration for inclusion in the Top 10, including:</p>

<p>% of OOS students , State University</p>

<p>29% , CLEMSON
11% , OHIO STATE
25% , PENN STATE
4% , U FLORIDA
12% , U GEORGIA
6% , U ILLINOIS
24% , U MARYLAND
35% , U MICHIGAN
26% , U MINNESOTA
17% , U N CAROLINA
17% , U PITTSBURGH
4% , U TEXAS
28% , U VIRGINIA
12% , U WASHINGTON
32% , U WISCONSIN
7% , UC BERKELEY
3% , UC SAN DIEGO
6% , UCLA
32% , WILLIAM & MARY</p>

<pre><code> Specialty Nominations
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<p>27% , GEORGIA TECH (for engineering)
39% , PURDUE (for engineering)
32% , VIRGINIA TECH (for engineering)</p>

<p>34% , INDIANA U (for business)</p>

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<p>I’m not sure what your point is… Some of those schools on your list are not really economical - such as UVa, UIUC, Penn St, etc. So, people aren’t choosing them because of “demanding economic times.” They’re choosing them because they’re fine schools. :)</p>

<p>However, there are OOS publics that students are choosing because those publics are making it financially feasible to attend there for about the same or less than their own in-state schools. </p>

<p>Last year 40% of Alabama freshmen were OOS. Many chose Alabama because their own state schools are either too expensive or because of the 10% rule (Texas), so they can’t get accepted their own schools (to TAMU or UT) even though they might have 4.0 GPAs and top scores. These kids just happen to go to schools where there are “too many” kids scoring in the 98th+ percentile.</p>

<p>So, they either grab the NMF big scholarship or one (or two) of the below scholarships…</p>

<p>**The University of Alabama Out-of-State Scholarship Offers <a href=“Apply%20by%20Dec%201”>/B</a></p>

<p>Students who have a 30-31 ACT or 1330-1390 SAT (critical reading and mathematics scores only) and at least a 3.5 cumulative GPA **will receive two-thirds the cost of tuition for four years. [my note: This scholarship is worth about $60k] **</p>

<p>Students who have a 32-36 ACT or 1400-1600 SAT (critical reading and mathematics scores only) and at least a 3.5 cumulative GPA **will receive out-of-state tuition for four years. [my note: this scholarship is worth about $80k] **</p>

<p>And if they’re going to major in Engineering or Comp Sci, they can add-on one of these…</p>

<p>Students who have a 30-31 ACT or 1330-1390 SAT (math and verbal scores only) and at least a 3.5 cumulative GPA **will receive a tuition supplement to bring their University-level scholarship offer up to the value of tuition. In addition, they will receive $2,500 per year for four years. ** **[my note: this scholarship is worth about $35k in addition to the above university scholarship] **</p>

<p>Students who have a 32-36 ACT or 1400-1600 SAT (math and verbal scores only) and at least a 3.5 cumulative GPA **will receive $2,500 per year for four years. [my note: this scholarship is worth $10k plus the above university scholarship] **</p>

<p>National Merit and National Achievement Finalists
Students receive the following:</p>

<p>Value of tuition for four years
Four years of on-campus housing [my note: including honors housing]
$1,000 per year University National Merit or National Achievement scholarship for four years
One-time allowance of $2,000 for use in summer research or international study
Laptop computer [not a cheapie]</p>

<p>The University’s application for admission and scholarships must be completed by December 1.</p>

<p>Website… [The</a> University of Alabama](<a href=“Page Not Found | The University of Alabama”>http://www.ua.edu/)</p>

<p>Of course, Bama’s awesome housing is attracting kids, too. [url=<a href=“http://housing.ua.edu/ridgecrestsouth.cfm]Housing”>http://housing.ua.edu/ridgecrestsouth.cfm]Housing</a> & Residential Communities - The University of Alabama<a href=“scroll%20down%20for%20all%20pics”>/url</a> When a friend and I took our sons for a campus visit, she and I decided we wanted to move into the housing and call ourselves the Mena Pausa Mommas.</p>

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<p>has anyone every wondered why she advertises the University of Alabama in every topic?</p>

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<p>Yes, I wonder it all the time. It’s a real one-note thing. ANY topic gets turned around into how great the University of Alabama is.</p>

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<p>^^^^</p>

<p>Agreed. </p>

<p>Mom2collegekids,</p>

<p>Enough. How about leaving the advertising to the upper left portion of the board?</p>

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<p>Candidly, the hires I get involved in are mostly M.B.A. grads, with the exception of Supply Chain Management hires where Penn State, Michigan State and UCLA are strong - in that order. </p>

<p>As an aside, University of Minnesota grads get some love from me. Great kids, great work ethic. Also, UCONN should be considered in several programs, including business. Great new b-school facilities and hard to get into (I’m thinking that you need a 3.7 (in major subjects) in-state to get into the program (no idea about OOS). </p>

<p>Bottom line is … so many fine programs, so many good choices.</p>

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<p>Keep in mind that these numbers for “OOS” students are skewed when there’s an interstate compact involved. For instance, from your list, Wisconsin and Minnesota have tuition reciprocity, so much of the OOS contingent is paying their in-state rate.</p>

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<p>Finally…</p>

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<p>Hey Hawkette, </p>

<p>I am in complete agreement with your list, except for the “specialty” denotion for Virginia Tech. There is much more there to draw an OOS kid. Don’t know if it belongs in “top 10” but is a great bargain for a great education in many, many areas. </p>

<p>Perennial Top 5 school for Architecture/Design: Landscape Architecture (this year #1 undergrad), Architecture (this year #4), College of Natural Resources: one of the best in the country- 6th in NSF research spending. Top programs nationally in forestry, agriculture, wildlife, etc. Starting a new med school, great ug life sciences, too. </p>

<p>Just can’t peg it as an engineering school anymore; too much good stuff going on up there.</p>

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<p>Clemson should be a specialty school for technical fields only (non-liberal arts majors)</p>

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<p>hawkette’s original post was about publics who are

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<p>mom2collegekid then brought in Alabama’s offering of scholarships as an example of

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<p>Those are two entirely different things, which is why the Alabama post came across like a non-sequitur. </p>

<p>Hawkette is asking about publics which are trying to attract OOS students who will pay full out-of-state freight. Mom2CollegeKids is talking about a public that is trying to attract OOS students who will pay next to nothing because the public wants to attract smarter kids and is throwing money at them. </p>

<p>The first is about schools that are so good that OOS kids will want to go there even knowing that they are paying more than their classmates. The second is about schools that are trying to get good by trying to attract smart students who wouldn’t otherwise consider them.</p>

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<p>Some states have strict rules guiding how many out of state students they can accept, so this is not entirely a fair comparison on desirability.</p>

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<p>hawkette, I wonder what were your criteria for your top 10. Adn you have more than 10 schools for your top 10. Why is that? And is your list in order of school desirability?</p>

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<p>I am not sure about OOS but among international community, only Berkeley, UCLA, Virginia, GaTech and Michigan (and maybe a handful of others) that people are willing to pay full price.</p>

<p>The rest of list will have difficult to attract international students.</p>

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<p>^^^Top 25 Institutions Hosting International Students, 2008/09</p>

<p>[Leading</a> Institutions](<a href=“http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=150817]Leading”>http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=150817)</p>

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<p>RML, p’girl & others,
Take the discussion wherever you think would be constructive. I have a view, but I’m trying not to pre-judge the results which I think happens too frequently on CC via mechanisms like PA scoring or just the traditional rankings like USNWR. </p>

<p>My intent is to spur a conversation that incorporates a larger group of public universities in the discussion. I don’t think anyone doubts that the usual suspects of UC Berkeley, U Virginia, W&M et all belong in the Top 10, but I think there is room to consider an expanded universe of public school options to fill the other spots. One may ultimately conclude that the suggested group is too big, but I’d rather start big and pare down than limit the names. Thus, I “nominated” over 20 State Us that I thought should be in the conversation for which are Top 10 publics for OOS students. </p>

<p>On the matter of aid or U Alabama, I’m not limiting the issue to full pay students (although in many cases, the colleges probably are!) nor am I intentionally leaving out U Alabama or any other school. But I am hard-pressed to make an argument for why U Alabama belongs in a group designated Top 10 Public School for OOS students. Maybe mom2 will make that argument (although I agree she can sometimes overdo it). Personally, I like reading about colleges that aren’t always on the radar screens of prospective students and maybe should be. And when I make the comparisons, I often discover that their statistical differences from the so-called public elites aren’t as great as the elites would like for you to believe. </p>

<p>I plan to provide more details on the “nominated” colleges, including:</p>

<ol>
<li>Student Body Quality & Student Body Depth</li>
<li>Size of the Classroom</li>
<li>Teaching</li>
<li>Institutional Resources</li>
<li>Tuition & Fees for OOS students</li>
<li>Student Body Diversity</li>
</ol>

<p>I encourage folks to evaluate the data and compare and then conclude about which belong in the Top 10. We might find a few places that are often ignored on CC and deserve to be on the application lists of more students.</p>

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<p>STUDENT BODY QUALITY</p>

<p>Avg SAT , Avg SAT , Avg ACT , Accept Rate , State University</p>

<p>1345 , 2010 , 29.5 , 34.1% , WILLIAM & MARY
1340 , 2000 , na , 21.6% , UC BERKELEY
1335 , 1970 , 29 , 60.9% , GEORGIA TECH
1330 , 1995 , 29.5 , 36.7% , U VIRGINIA
1325 , 1970 , 29 , 42.2% , U MICHIGAN
1300 , 1940 , 28.5 , 34.0% , U N CAROLINA
1290 , 1930 , 28 , 22.8% , UCLA
1290 , na , 28.5 , 69.1% , U ILLINOIS
1280 , 1900 , 28 , 52.7% , U WISCONSIN
1275 , na , na , 39.2% , U MARYLAND
1270 , na , 27.5 , 39.5% , U FLORIDA
1260 , na , 27.5 , 55.4% , U PITTSBURGH
1255 , 1870 , 27 , 41.6% , UC SAN DIEGO
1245 , na , 26.5 , 52.5% , U MINNESOTA
1230 , 1835 , 27 , 43.5% , U TEXAS
1230 , 1820 , 27.5 , 62.3% , OHIO STATE
1230 , 1820 , 27.5 , 53.8% , CLEMSON
1225 , 1835 , 26.5 , 55.6% , U GEORGIA
1215 , 1800 , 26.5 , 61.0% , U WASHINGTON
1205 , na , na , 65.4% , VIRGINIA TECH
1200 , na , na , 51.2% , PENN STATE
1150 , 1695 , 26 , 71.5% , PURDUE
1150 , na , 26 , 70.7% , INDIANA U</p>

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<p>hawkette, if I’m from, say, Florida, why would I enroll in Ohio State over Berkeley or Virginia?</p>

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<p>Because you wanted to major in sciences or engineering or don’t get into UCB or UVa</p>

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<p>RML,
If you’re IS for Florida, their price tag is hard to beat. But if someone wants to try a new environment, then they could do worse than a place like Ohio State. Re how OSU compares with U Virginia and UC Berkeley, I doubt that many would place them in the same tier, but there may be some curricular or extra-curricular or even price tag attraction at OSU that might differentiate the school or, as barrons notes, one might not have the option of choosing among all three as U Virginia and UC Berkeley are far harder to get into. </p>

<p>Here is some information on Student Body Depth:</p>

<p>STUDENT BODY DEPTH </p>

<pre><code>CR 700+ , CR 600+ , M 700+ , M 600+ , ACT 30+ , State University

29% , 72% , 51% , 83% , na , UC BERKELEY
20% , 67% , 40% , 77% , 39% , UCLA
32% , 78% , 40% , 83% , 47% , U VIRGINIA
22% , 73% , 46% , 86% , 44% , U MICHIGAN
25% , 75% , 30% , 82% , 38% , U N CAROLINA
41% , 84% , 35% , 83% , 58% , WILLIAM & MARY
19% , 74% , 47% , 95% , 38% , GEORGIA TECH
13% , 55% , 33% , 75% , 29% , UC SAN DIEGO
12% , 49% , 52% , 88% , 42% , U ILLINOIS
16% , 58% , 40% , 84% , 34% , U WISCONSIN
11% , 47% , 20% , 63% , 22% , U WASHINGTON
7% , 43% , 15% , 62% , na , PENN STATE
17% , 65% , 25% , 73% , 30% , U FLORIDA
15% , 55% , 25% , 67% , 27% , U TEXAS
10% , 51% , 22% , 70% , 25% , OHIO STATE
17% , 66% , 30% , 76% , na , U MARYLAND
20% , 63% , 21% , 72% , 28% , U PITTSBURGH
11% , 58% , 14% , 62% , 20% , U GEORGIA
9% , 51% , 17% , 71% , 20% , CLEMSON
6% , 31% , 14% , 50% , 20% , PURDUE
18% , 55% , 28% , 70% , 24% , U MINNESOTA
7% , 36% , 9% , 45% , 17% , INDIANA U
7% , 44% , 14% , 62% , na , VIRGINIA TECH
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<p>^^^ First off, both UVA and UCB (UF as well) are excellent schools!! Had I stayed in CA after middle school, I would have definitely attended UCB based on my grades. But, I relocated to MI for high school. Anyways, don’t want to get into the smack talk of which school is better than whichever, but I did my post-bac study in Molecular Genetics at TOSU and ended up with a 2nd bachelor’s degree. I vividly recall that back in '98 when I first arrived C-bus, TOSU was tied with UF on USNWR’s and that Genetics was a ~top-5 program ranked by the Gourman Report better than the school up north. As an Asian international student, it was great place to be. Though the international communities are not vastly represented as say UCB, it continues to grow as I’ve observed over the years. For the engineering students who are into automobile industry, there are great opportunities to intern and work with the nearby Honda plant through the partnership programs between the two: <a href=“http://elearn.eng.ohio-state.edu/honda/[/url]”>http://elearn.eng.ohio-state.edu/honda/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
For the bio/science students, Battelle research is next door with years of collaborations between the two: [Battelle</a> - The Business of Innovation](<a href=“http://www.battelle.org/SPOTLIGHT/9-29-09osucollaboration09.aspx]Battelle”>http://www.battelle.org/SPOTLIGHT/9-29-09osucollaboration09.aspx)
And for the business students, numerous internships / jobs opportunities with various banks and business in C-bus, such as the Huntington, 5/3, Bank-1 as well as Leslie Wexner’s Limited (TOSU Trustee Chairman) Brands which includes stores like Express, Abercrombie, Victoria’s Secret…, etc. are all readily available to the students. Lastly, for the pre-law, poli sci related students, you ARE in the capital. It’s no secret to the marketing people that for decades, C-bus is known as THE consumer survey center of America due to its constantly sprunt businesses covering all sectors in services. </p>

<p>P.S. TOSU is becoming increasing difficult to get in, 2009 freshman profile indicated 32% with ACT>30</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html]Admissions[/url”>http://undergrad.osu.edu/domesticfreshman.html]Admissions[/url</a>]</p>