What counted in the LSDAS gpa?

<p>I was reading this:
<a href="http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/2005-2006/info-book-2005-new.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.lsac.org/pdfs/2005-2006/info-book-2005-new.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>On page 23, it says that:</p>

<p>Grades Excluded from Conversion</p>

<p> Those awarded after the first
undergraduate degree was received.</p>

<p>So although they are not "converted" according to the LSDAS scale, are they counted?</p>

<p>For instance, many people advise undergrads with low gpa's to take additional courses (and do well) in order to raise their gpa before applying to law school. Will those courses count if an undergrad degree has already been granted? Also, if I decided to go to grad school, will my grad school grades be counted?</p>

<p>I haven't gone through the application process, so I have no clue. =) THanks!</p>

<p>No, only classes that were taken before you got your first bachelor's degree are counted in the LSDAS GPA, including those from high school, summer sessions, and study abroad. That's why it's useless to take additional classes after you graduate. Grad school grades are also not counted at all, although the fact that you have a graduate degree may be a small positive factor.</p>

<p>so if you are double majoring, and you finish all the courses for your first bachelor's say in your third year, then that means all the courses taken in the fourth year for the second major/degree won't count?</p>

<p>so if I am getting a BA and MGA at the same time how do they figure that? I am submatriculating and taking courses in both at the same time.</p>

<h2>so if you are double majoring, and you finish all the courses for your first bachelor's say in your third year, then that means all the courses taken in the fourth year for the second major/degree won't count</h2>

<p>I'm not sure what UCLA's policy is, but at UCB, you only get 1 Bachelor's when you double major. It's in 2 subjects rather than one. They only way you can received 2 bachelors degrees here is if you get concurrent degrees in 2 different colleges (ie. college of letters and science, and college of engineering), in which case, the classes wouldn't overlap the way they do when you double major.
Very few people get concurrent degrees because it takes over 6 years since the courses don't overlap.</p>

<p>Regarding two degrees taking six years. Just remember that all courses which are electives can be taken to count as required courses.........most students who do double degrees take more than the required work load each term. I know many students who take additional courses each semester.....and if you add some summers it doesn't take 6 years.</p>

<p>Oh crap. I just found out something really depressing! If you failed and repeated a course, LSAC factors it into your gpa even if your school doesn't count it:
Repeated Courses
All grades and credits earned for a repeated
course will be included in the GPA calculation
if the course units and grades appear
on the transcript. A line drawn through
course information or a grade does not
eliminate the course from GPA calculation if
the course units appear on the transcript.</p>

<p>=(</p>

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so if you are double majoring, and you finish all the courses for your first bachelor's say in your third year, then that means all the courses taken in the fourth year for the second major/degree won't count?

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A double major means you get one diploma, so it doesn't matter when you actually completed the classes for one major or whatever.</p>

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so if I am getting a BA and MGA at the same time how do they figure that? I am submatriculating and taking courses in both at the same time.

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If you do a dual degree program where you get a bachelor's and a master's degree at the same time, then those classes also count. All classes before you get your first bachelor's degree, simple as that.</p>

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if the course units and grades appear
on the transcript.

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<p>Is there no way to remove it?</p>

<p>If you get double degrees that are not completed in the same semester, can you wait to apply for graduation so the degrees will be given together? If not, will law schools disregard the classes taken to finish the second degree if the first degree has already been conferred?</p>

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If you get double degrees that are not completed in the same semester, can you wait to apply for graduation so the degrees will be given together?

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That depends on the policy of your school, but usually you get both degrees at the same time anyway.

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If not, will law schools disregard the classes taken to finish the second degree if the first degree has already been conferred?

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Any classes taken after the first degree conferral won't be counted, so it's in your best interest to delay the first one and get them both at the same time.</p>

<h2>Is there no way to remove it?</h2>

<p>I don't think so! =(
The orignal grade appears with the # of units, so i'm sure they will be counted.
Let me know if you're able to get them removed somehow.</p>

<p>so if ur enrolled in college, it makes sense to take some JOKE classes during the summer at a community college and get a 4.0 in them?</p>

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so if ur enrolled in college, it makes sense to take some JOKE classes during the summer at a community college and get a 4.0 in them?

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Absolutely, they'll bump up your LSDAS GPA and that's all law schools care about.</p>

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Absolutely, they'll bump up your LSDAS GPA and that's all law schools care about.

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</p>

<p>That is incorrect. Most law schools in the top 15 care about the courses taken, and where they were taken.</p>

<p>so which is it boys and girls.....to take a bunch of summer courses at community college or not? I go to Cornell, wat about NYU (even that would be easier for me)</p>

<p>I really would like to know</p>

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so which is it boys and girls.....to take a bunch of summer courses at community college or not? I go to Cornell, wat about NYU (even that would be easier for me)

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<p>I hesitate in taking summer courses at top schools; the professors usually come from other institutions. I know at Harvard, one or two of the philosophy professors are from Brandeis. Not that such professors are bad, but I would rather not travel to Cambridge for courses that are not taught by those who teach during the school year; there is a difference: introduction to deductive logic was typically and famously taught by W.V.O. Quine, and Warren Goldfarb later took the helm; the course is legendary because the instructors are prominent in the field of logic, and they offer a better understanding of logic. Unfortunately, Goldfarb will likely not teaching the deductive logic course this summer at Harvard.</p>

<p>Additionally, one or two courses at a community college do not hurt, I think; however, students who overload on credits during the summer, and try to use them as a GPA booster will be in trouble, in my opinion.</p>

<p>Obviously, having 10 extra A's on your transcript from your local CC is not as good as having the same A's from your own college, but that's not the question here. If you have nothing better to do during summer, how can taking easy classes and boosting your GPA not be a good thing? Like it or not, law schools know that their US News ranking depends heavily on the LSDAS GPA and LSAT of their incoming students, so they'll be trying to get as high numbers as they can.</p>

<p>yeah but community college is SO Much eaiser than a place like cornell, i could prob take like 16 credits in 8 weeks there, have an outside job, and manage a 3.8+ like cake</p>

<p>i know ppl are gonna be like, o, community college is not easy, that is a bunch of crap, i know some kids unfortunately have to go to cc b/c they dont have the finances or weren't fortunate enough to have gotten into other places
but face it, at CCs, there are kids that were high school dropouts for w.e. reason and aren't as talented as ppl at a top school, sorry</p>

<p>so for the LSDAS GPA, it counts grades from an external community college even though your own university doesn't take them?</p>