<p>Guys it's all done. I was going to criticize urmn***a (I'd be shot in my neighborhood for even using that word in any context) but if he says his parents have raised him this way, then he has reason to do this. Nothing you say is going to change his decision.</p>
<p>urmnigga (WOW), you are not a urmnigga. your silly, irrational, fundamentally flawed antics on this thread have been a great source of entertainment/ laughter for me this morning. If i happen to like Bob Marley, sport apparel with Jamaican Flags, have dreadlocks, and enjoy smoking joints, can i call myself Jamaican (even though I am 100% white) merely because I "identify most with that culture" and am very tan? are you kidding me? i cannot believe you actually think your argument holds any water. your only contentions are that you "are often mistaken for being black" and "identify most with the culture." snap out of your stupid, subjective (and unrealistic) world of moral relativity and realize that you will only HARM other legitimate applicants' chances by LYING and claiming to be of an ethnicity which you are not.</p>
<p>um pirt, you might want to look into an ethnography text</p>
<p>haha. you might want to look into moving out of metallicaville.</p>
<p>lol that was a joke...im from the south. on to the topic of the thread:</p>
<p>"The definition of a black person changes from region to region and period to period. Often it is imposed at the convenience of the non-black ruling establishment of that nation or region. In other cases, as in Brazil, the name is synonymous with low social status. The use of the term "black" is divided into four sections.</p>
<p>Black Africans living in Africa: [...]</p>
<p>People whose ancestors have lived outside of Africa since historical antiquity: The various Negroid and Melanesian people fit this category. Blackness has been used to describe Aeta Filipinos, the Semang of Malaysia and the Andamanese Negrito, all Negrito groups descended from the original inhabitants of South East Asia, as well as Melanesians of the Pacific. Their experiences range widely and there is relatively less information regarding their self-perception in relationship to other Black people throughout the world, as they have had little contact with African and black people of the western hemisphere.</p>
<p>Those who live in Latin America and Spanish speaking islands of the Caribbean: [...]</p>
<p>Those who live in the United States and the non-Spanish Caribbean: [...]"</p>
<p>That little excerpt seems to make sense. Notice the bit about Pacific Islanders.</p>
<p>jimbob, i do not doubt the legitimacy of what you just posted. however, we are talking about race in the realm of college admissions. and the fact of the matter is that any top school adcom, upon finding out that an applicant reported being african american when in fact he was filipino, will immediately disregard the application; he will not know (or care, if he does know) about the above technicalities. i have heard stories from numerous adcoms regarding the gravity of the error of lying on the application in any way.</p>
<p>Is Eminem black, too?</p>
<p>I'm Filipino. Filipinos are not Asians. Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Filipinos are Filipinos.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
<p>What next, you guys are going to tell G.K. Butterfield that he isn't African-American/Black/Whatever? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield</a></p>
<p>ok strigen. i am of 100% german descent. don't call me white, european, or caucasian; i am german.</p>
<p>thank you for your time. (?)</p>
<p>i dont think urmnigga is lying. if he is in fact black then it's absolutely fine. i don't think anyone is going to argue with him about it if his skin is black and he comes from an area of the world where there are a lot of melanesian blacks</p>
<p>It's the way he explains his race that is the issue. He may very well be black. I mean, he says he looks black, but how am I supposed to know how he looks? Can't judge that part...but the best he can do to prove that he is actually black here is say that he has black friends, wears the same types of clothes as them, and identifies with their culture. Anyone could say that kind of stuff, but it doesn't make them black.</p>
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<p>Also, it seems to me that the best option as far as the race box goes is for him to just check other and fill in "Black Filipino." I don't think that would be dishonest given the circumstances and his described appearance, but just checking the African-American box is kind of borderline.</p>
<p>pirt8528: you seem confused, and this is totally understandable.</p>
<p>Unlike most races (including Germans), most Filipinos don't truly identify with a particular category... They don't consider themselves asian because they're skin tone ranges from light brown to a deep brown (as in urmnigga's case). They don't truly consider themselves Pacific Islanders to an extent, as Pacific Islanders imply a Hawaiian-esque culture and Filipinos are nothing like Hawaiians.</p>
<p>Instead, Filipinos pride themselves in being an ethnic group all their own: neither wholly asian, nor wholly pacific islander, nor wholly spanish, but a mixture of the three that makes them distinctly Filipino.</p>
<p>I guess one could relate Filipinos to a mixed child: although he is part one race, part another race, he couldn't identify with one of his ethnic origins without neglecting another. By pigeon-holing Filipinos as "asians" or as "pacific islanders," it is easy to neglect other aspects of the Filipino that form the foundation of their culture, beliefs, and sense of self.</p>
<p>This is why when one asks a Filipino if they are asian/pacific islander, it is not altogether uncommon to get a vague response.</p>
<p>To avoid such ambiguities, many tests/surveys (including the SATs), include "Filipino" as a race all their own -- separate from "Asian/Pacific Islander."</p>
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You make it sound like being of Fillipino genetics is some dark secret that adcoms will magically discover. Let me tell you this: It is not. I look and identify with my black culture for a reason. Both my parents look black and sadly they have been called the 'n' word and faced racism on numerous counts. They are cool with me putting down I am black on my apps (I mean who do you think encouraged it in the first place) If pressed for answers by an adcom (though I doubt it), my parents will say we are of African heritage (as we are).
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Everyone is now bringing up hypothetical situations where they're saying... "If I wear this, hang out with these people, and do this...," then am I Black. Well, no, but I doubt your parents support you being Black either, and you certainly weren't raised that way. Putting down African American in the literal term isn't right, but these days, it's a PC term/euphemism for Black.</p>
<p>Yeah exactly. Anyway the check box asks you who you would like to be identified with. It doesn't ask whether you are of African descent.</p>
<p>"The definition of a black person changes from region to region and period to period. Often it is imposed at the convenience of the non-black ruling establishment of that nation or region. In other cases, as in Brazil, the name is synonymous with low social status. The use of the term "black" is divided into four sections.</p>
<p>Black Africans living in Africa: [...]</p>
<p>People whose ancestors have lived outside of Africa since historical antiquity: The various Negroid and Melanesian people fit this category. Blackness has been used to describe Aeta Filipinos, the Semang of Malaysia and the Andamanese Negrito, all Negrito groups descended from the original inhabitants of South East Asia, as well as Melanesians of the Pacific. Their experiences range widely and there is relatively less information regarding their self-perception in relationship to other Black people throughout the world, as they have had little contact with African and black people of the western hemisphere.</p>
<p>Those who live in Latin America and Spanish speaking islands of the Caribbean: [...]</p>
<p>Those who live in the United States and the non-Spanish Caribbean: [...]"</p>
<p>That little excerpt seems to make sense. Notice the bit about Pacific Islanders."</p>
<p>Exactly...!</p>
<p>"jimbob, i do not doubt the legitimacy of what you just posted. however, we are talking about race in the realm of college admissions. and the fact of the matter is that any top school adcom, upon finding out that an applicant reported being african american when in fact he was filipino, will immediately disregard the application; he will not know (or care, if he does know) about the above technicalities. i have heard stories from numerous adcoms regarding the gravity of the error of lying on the application in any way."</p>
<p>Its a risk I'm willing to take as I doubt a adcom from a prestigious university will sit there and argue about my ethnic identification. He of all people would understand that the concept of ethnicity is quite fluid. </p>
<p>"I'm Filipino. Filipinos are not Asians. Filipinos are not Pacific Islanders. Filipinos are Filipinos.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time."</p>
<p>That is your choice. </p>
<p>"What next, you guys are going to tell G.K. Butterfield that he isn't African-American/Black/Whatever? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield</a>"</p>
<p>heh, can you add something to the discussion other than an outrageous example? </p>
<p>"i dont think urmnigga is lying. if he is in fact black then it's absolutely fine. i don't think anyone is going to argue with him about it if his skin is black and he comes from an area of the world where there are a lot of melanesian blacks"</p>
<p>Thank you...</p>
<p>"It's the way he explains his race that is the issue. He may very well be black. I mean, he says he looks black, but how am I supposed to know how he looks? Can't judge that part...but the best he can do to prove that he is actually black here is say that he has black friends, wears the same types of clothes as them, and identifies with their culture. Anyone could say that kind of stuff, but it doesn't make them black.</p>
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<p>Also, it seems to me that the best option as far as the race box goes is for him to just check other and fill in "Black Filipino." I don't think that would be dishonest given the circumstances and his described appearance, but just checking the African-American box is kind of borderline."</p>
<p>I never thought about that. Perhaps, but I don't really identify with my Fillipino side as much. So it would be falacious if I put Black Fillipino. </p>
<p>"Unlike most races (including Germans), most Filipinos don't truly identify with a particular category... They don't consider themselves asian because they're skin tone ranges from light brown to a deep brown (as in urmnigga's case). They don't truly consider themselves Pacific Islanders to an extent, as Pacific Islanders imply a Hawaiian-esque culture and Filipinos are nothing like Hawaiians.</p>
<p>Instead, Filipinos pride themselves in being an ethnic group all their own: neither wholly asian, nor wholly pacific islander, nor wholly spanish, but a mixture of the three that makes them distinctly Filipino.</p>
<p>I guess one could relate Filipinos to a mixed child: although he is part one race, part another race, he couldn't identify with one of his ethnic origins without neglecting another. By pigeon-holing Filipinos as "asians" or as "pacific islanders," it is easy to neglect other aspects of the Filipino that form the foundation of their culture, beliefs, and sense of self.</p>
<p>This is why when one asks a Filipino if they are asian/pacific islander, it is not altogether uncommon to get a vague response.</p>
<p>To avoid such ambiguities, many tests/surveys (including the SATs), include "Filipino" as a race all their own -- separate from "Asian/Pacific Islander." "</p>
<p>Exactly, since we are such a varied people. We can choose to make our own ethnic identifications. I'm pretty sure its like this in the Phillipines...(the lighter skinned people are considered more beautiful than darker skinned people)</p>
<p>"Everyone is now bringing up hypothetical situations where they're saying... "If I wear this, hang out with these people, and do this...," then am I Black. Well, no, but I doubt your parents support you being Black either, and you certainly weren't raised that way. Putting down African American in the literal term isn't right, but these days, it's a PC term/euphemism for Black. </p>
<p>The hypothetical situations brought up are mostly to mock me. </p>
<p>"Yeah exactly. Anyway the check box asks you who you would like to be identified with. It doesn't ask whether you are of African descent."</p>
<p>Prove it. I have never seen an application that speaks of genetics. It always comes down to nationality/ ethnicity.</p>
<p>You may not identify with that part of your heritage as much, but it is in your history. I still think that Black Filipino the best/most honest response, but it is obviously up to you.</p>
<p>well im 1/4 japanese, 3/4 white and look completely white and have identified as such. though, i took japanese immersion throughout elementary, middle and high school and grew up eating some japanese foods, knew some japanese family, etc. people in my family are also the only 1/4s ive ever met that look completely white. would i be justified in marking myself as mixed on college applications?</p>
<p>The difference with Captain Acid is that he actually has mixed blood. The Op on the other hand has 0% African blood in him.</p>
<p>I am darker than the average chinese so I guess I will put black as well since darker skinned people are looked down upon since most of the time they are farmers.</p>