what do i put for race?

Colleges and Universities A-Z Naval Academy - Annapolis
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<p>Put down that your father went to the Academy and you will have a better chance of being admitted than others.</p>

<p>Put down that your father is a Marine Corps. General and you will have a better chance of being retained in spite of conduct violations that would have another separated.</p>

<p>Put down that your father is a Senator and you will have a better chance of being admitted despite a NAPS grade that is substandard.</p>

<p>Put down that you are an athlete of a certain caliber--regardless of grades or race--and you will stand a better chance of being admitted.</p>

<p>At a private--and public--university, put down that your parents gave money to the foundation, and you will stand a better chance of being admitted.</p>

<p>At a public--and private--university, put down that your next door neighbor is a regent and you will stand a better chance of being admitted.</p>

<p>Minority preferences--and prior to now, female preferences--offset some of the advantages that others--white males--have had for many years; in addition to trying to get the officer corps to be more reflective of the fleet. That's the reality spelled out in plain language.</p>

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<p>Female candidates are not part of the "set aside" group, e.g., recruited athletes, ethnic minorities, etc., therefore, academically they compare to majority males. Last year a female mid was ranked first in the class of 2008. Additionally, a quick glance at the Supe/Dant lists reveals many female midshipmen on both lists.</p>

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<p>Quote above: "Minority preferences--and prior to now, female preferences--offset some of the advantages that others--white males--have had for many years; in addition to trying to get the officer corps to be more reflective of the fleet. That's the reality spelled out in plain language."</p>

<p>very good!</p>

<p>the military is using a moving scale for admissions to their service academies. because- some old boy network was in place 50 years ago and the military is lowering its standards to make people feel good.....and white males should just shut up and take what their ancestors dished out in the past dammit! lol</p>

<p>i personally think its funny to watch people squirm and act like there is not a double standard to fix a double standard. its called politically correct racism lol</p>

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<p>Quote:
"Female First in the Class of 2008 </p>

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<p>Female candidates are not part of the "set aside" group, e.g., recruited athletes, ethnic minorities, etc., therefore, academically they compare to majority males. Last year a female mid was ranked first in the class of 2008. Additionally, a quick glance at the Supe/Dant lists reveals many female midshipmen on both lists."</p>

<p>now thats the perfect example of what i describe above! 'lets pretend its fair'
the point was: fems were given the same bonus points that a hispanic male are.....be a hispanic fem....look out, ticket punched...on the way up baby and dont dare insinuate shes not qualified...career over!!!!</p>

<p>btw, how many asian enlisted in the fleet? my guess is asian officers outnumber enlisted about 3 to 1 tru dat</p>

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Last year a female mid was ranked first in the class of 2008.

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<p>yes she was, and no small feat.</p>

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<p>true story, im friends with a couple, both usna alumni and she always teases him on how hard he had it over her. she always said dating an upperclassman had its perks. to this day this same friend says women should not be allowed at the academy, too distracting for the men. im just saying....</p>

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now thats(sic) the perfect example of what i describe above! 'lets(sic) pretend its fair'
the point was: fems were given the same bonus points that a hispanic(sic) male are.....be a hispanic(sic) fem....look out, ticket punched...on the way up baby and dont(sic) dare insinuate shes(sic) not qualified...career over!!!!

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<p>The administration has determined a target percentage for females in the Brigade of Midshipmen. Therefore, female applicants are competing against each other not against male applicants for appointments. They aren't given any breaks (unless they are ethnic minorities or athletes) because there are more than enough qualified female applicants to meet the target enrollment numbers. </p>

<p>Perfect example, USNA1985 gives the most reasoned and legitimate advice on this forum and she is a female grad and a seasoned attorney! ;)</p>

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<p>Sir please what is your point? </p>

<p>Women are here. They are here to stay. Yes - some think women have a different set of standards - does it matter - in the end no as everybody gets it and the common belief is that it does women, in general, a disservice. Those women who take advantage of the system do themselves harm but they are certainly not doing the Brigade harm.</p>

<p>Are they a distraction to the guys - LOL NO!
If you follow your thought I guess the women are a distraction in the fleet, in the air, on the ground, in any job environment, in any college setting, in high school, definitely in Middle school when boys and girls "discover" one another and probably even in yours and (your fiends) household assuming you have both genders.</p>

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<p>madam, the point was i was told this recount, nothing more, nothing less. take it anyway you want!</p>

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<p>"The administration has determined a target percentage for females in the Brigade of Midshipmen. Therefore, female applicants are competing against each other not against male applicants for appointments. They aren't given any breaks (unless they are ethnic minorities or athletes) because there are more than enough qualified female applicants to meet the target enrollment numbers."</p>

<p>sweetheart, its like tolls, lets see if they reduce the recruitment when all systems are go ;)</p>

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<p>Generally those who repeat an account believe what they are repeating. You claim nothing more and nothing less. I venture to guess that those on this forum draw a different conclusion than nothing more and nothing less.</p>

<p>Incidentally, whom are you calling "sweetheart?" </p>

<p>Going back and looking at your previous post I get a sense that you are viewing the "system" as unfair to someone you know applying. Fact: an applicant who represents a targeted portion of the population is given a few bonus points in the WPS. When two candidates are viewed as equal - scholastic records basically the same there has to be a system to break the tie. So a few extra points awarded because you mirror the fleet is the right thing to do. You call it affirmative action, I call it fair and equatable. That targeted individual is perfectly qualified to become an officer in the Navy and I will be proud to serve with them.</p>

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<p>i love this discussion ;)
first, lets address the insinuation of "im being treated unfairly"...guess what, i might be getting some extra points!
i think its doing the system an injustice by using semantics and trying to paint this as fair in an effort to make everyone feel good.</p>

<p>By Greg Bruno
Times Herald-Record
April 19, 2007
West Point — Struggling to attract black candidates, the U.S. Military Academy is rethinking admission requirements for minorities.</p>

<p>The nation's oldest service academy has not settled on a plan to revamp entrance criteria, and says any shift would not represent reduced academic standards.</p>

<p>But as the percentage of black cadets at the historic officer training school hovers well below national and Army averages, the school's top officers say something needs to change to expand the pool of black applicants.</p>

<p>"There may be African-Americans out there with lower standardized test scores who would perform very well at West Point," said Col. Andre Sayles, director of the military academy's newly created diversity office.</p>

<p>Another high-ranking official, who was granted anonymity because his remarks were made during a background briefing last week, said West Point should accept minority candidates with "lower SATs."</p>

<p>"This academy needs to bring in more kids who are at risk than ever before," the senior Army officer said, using the admissions term for candidates with lower-than-average test scores.</p>

<p>"Our 'at risk' kids, very frankly, tend to come from the minority communities."</p>

<p>The nation's top service academies have all reported difficulties attracting minority talent in recent years. Black candidates have been especially hard to lure. Of 1,311 freshmen who entered the military academy last year, 78 were black, or about 6 percent. Overall, 6 percent of West Point cadets are black, versus 22 percent of the active Army and 12.5 percent of the country.</p>

<p>Numbers for next year don't look any better. Of the 1,036 confirmed freshman for the class reporting in June, only 4 percent are black, though the final ratio could be slightly higher.</p>

<p>Academy officials say increasing the diversity of the cadet corps, and ultimately, mirroring the nation's racial profile, is vital for the long-term stability of the Army.</p>

<p>To that end, West Point has taken measures to push numbers up by expanding recruiting efforts and with the creation of the new diversity office. But attracting minority candidates, particularly blacks, remains a significant challenge.</p>

<p>Lt. Col. Deborah McDonald, West Point's deputy director of admissions, told a Maryland newspaper in March that of the 177,000 black high school seniors who took the SAT in 2005, only 6 percent scored high enough to get into West Point.</p>

<p>The average score for students in the Class of 2010 was 1277. McDonald said in 2005, only 10,500 black students nationwide came anywhere close to that.</p>

<p>So, in addition to trying to lure top-scoring blacks into West Point, military academy officials are pondering ways to revamp entrance criteria — including considering more candidates with lower test scores.</p>

<p>Lt. Col. Kent P. Cassella, a West Point spokesman, said test scores would remain part of the equation. But other factors, like community involvement, class rank and athletics, could play a larger role.</p>

<p>"We really look at the total person, still using tests as an indicator but not the sole indicator of admission," Cassella said.</p>

<p>Added the senior Academy official: "There are intangibles you can't measure. One is the heart of a kid."</p>

<p>Few disagree. But how to get there is a matter of much debate. "It's not the way to go. I take issue with that," said retired National Guard Brig. Gen. Gilbert Baca, who served on West Point's oversight board during President Bush's first term and examined minority recruiting trends.</p>

<p>"What they are saying is that they don't have enough recruits because SAT sores are low. It has nothing to do with numbers. It has everything to do with active recruiting."</p>

<p>But Academy officials say they've done what they can with current candidate requirements. Perhaps it's time to rethink the formula.</p>

<p>"Do we have to do a little extra to give them tutors," the senior Academy official said during the briefing last week. "Of course we do. But so what? I'm willing to bring in more 'at-risk' kids" than ever before.</p>

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<p>What is your point with the above article?</p>

<p>I don't get it - perhaps you can explain it.</p>

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<p>Back to the point, mdsu your race is Asian since your Filipino, you can write about growing up in the pacific islands in your essay, but you can put Latino(a) for ethnicity since your Filipino.</p>

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<p>Airforcewings wrote:</p>

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sweetheart...

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<p>^^^ I only let my gay colleagues call me that! ;)</p>

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<p>Be careful on the Spanish (Latino) designation as Spanish ethnicity is estimated to be only be about 1-3% of the population. Do not put down a specific ethnicity if you cannot substantiate it.</p>

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<p>What do you mean, profmom2?</p>

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<p>Spanish influx into the Philippines occurred between the 1500 and late 1800 and most were from South Spain - Andalusia. The Philippine population that is of spanish descent is a very small portion of the population, where as those of Chinese descent is much larger. With intermarriage over the centuries, many are descendants of many ethnic groups are so intermingled that tracing ones heritage becomes difficult. Those that can trace heritage to Spanish (European)or even Mexican descent are a very small percentage of the population. </p>

<p>(My next door neighbor is Filipino - first generation American, came to the states as a pre teen - first name sounds latino, last name is Asian he says he is Asian.)</p>

<p>Just because you have a latino sounding name does not make you latino.
On that note I would hope that by 18 years old one would know the difference between where one lives and race, and could answer this question without hesitation.</p>

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<p>Just a word of caution-</p>

<p>and that is to be honest on your application. It would not be a good thing to list yourself as one minority, when in fact that is not the case. You will be interviewed along the way, and discrepancies in what you list as "fact" and what is, indeed, "fact", can sink your ship before it ever sets sail.</p>

<p>The academy is looking for persons of character- honesty, integrity- just two basic components of what lies at the core of values at USNA. It starts with your very first encounter, and it doesn't end.</p>

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<p>The ol' timers will remember that, at various times, miscellaneous trolls would pop up to instigate arguments. I don't remember the screen names but 09mom and 2010 will recall of whom I speak. Remember the extensive ramblings--sort of like the Unabomber manifesto--that were posted about a year ago? Zaphod was good about pointing those out.
I suspect some of the posts herein are of the same nature: merely posted to provoke.</p>