<p>I'm sorry but I don't quite get what you meant with the permanent residents, why is it that you couldn't hire them?</p>
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Racist? Protectionist maybe, but does any country let foreigners waltz in and take jobs?
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<p>Sure I've got one. My very own, lovely, all too open country, Singapore. Its a crazy free-for-all that's driving locals like us out to study elsewhere cause its getting too freakin competitive :(</p>
<p>When you mention that many internationals are unable to get a visa to stay on for work, is that due to a lack of qualification? By this I'm thinking along the lines of someone coming from a run of the mill state school who has to compete with millions of Americans for jobs. Or is it just a general (and widespread) disadvantage that we should expect to face upon graduation, such that even an Ivy grad loses out to an American coming from a less prestigious institution?</p>
<p>Lets say we internationals are not allowed to stay after we graduate. Do you know if it is viable for us to join a multinational company and transfer to one of their overseas offices in a country other than where we came from? How possible are the chances of this happening, and is it a common option for internationals who have been 'ousted' from the US?</p>
<p>Internationals don't get "ousted", they come on the condition they will leave the US after their education is complete.</p>
<p>It does not matter what school you attend, we are not allowed to hire internationals unless there is no American who can do the job AND the international is lucky enough to win the lottery. Almost no employers will even try. And in this economy it would be virtually impossible for any employer to prove that 99.99999% of jobs can't be staffed by an American.</p>
<p>Sure, you can work for a multinational and be an expat in many countries.</p>
<p>If going to school in the US meant you could stay, half the world would find a way to pay for schools here.</p>
<p>ycang by the way singaporeans have some advantage when trying to work in the US, you have a special type of visa only people from singapore can apply for because of trade agreements</p>
<p>"Lets say we internationals are not allowed to stay after we graduate. Do you know if it is viable for us to join a multinational company and transfer to one of their overseas offices in a country other than where we came from? How possible are the chances of this happening, and is it a common option for internationals who have been 'ousted' from the US?" ycang</p>
<p>Yes, infact that is one of the best ways...the problem is convincing the company what you are doing in your country would be better done in the US</p>
<p>It does not matter what school you attend, we are not allowed to hire internationals unless there is no American who can do the job "</p>
<p>I really dont know hw to quote and since I am doing school homework have no time to do so...but Hmom's statement above is not true according to what I heard from immigration lawyers...you don't need to prove one cannot find an american to do the job just that the candidate is the best candidate for the job. Infact Hmom's statement suggest that very few companies know much about the immigration process even large companies or banks...the main problem is winning the lottery which is a 50-50 chance</p>
<p>Also most international students should avoid their OPT during school year because it would make it far more difficult to work your way into getting a H1B. But still the message is clear...try and find options in your country...it is far easier and better...why so much heartache over America</p>
<p>Lol seriously? I thought the reason there are so many Indians and other South Asians is that they are able to find jobs there.. Did you know 'Asian' in Britain more often than not refers to Indians, Pakis and the like? Chinese, Koreans, Japanese and other East Asians are seen as oriental, though I'm not too sure what they call them.</p>
<p>Hey Sefago how did you find out about this Singaporean advantage thing? I'm from SG and I didn't even know! Could you tell me more about it? Also, could you elaborate on the OPT part? Anyway what I meant in my earlier post was in the event that we cannot work in the US, can we join a company (not necessarily American) within the States and then transfer to, lets say, a European country like France or Britain?</p>
<p>As for the greencard being a lottery, I guess I could go marry an American :) lool</p>
<p>Does being a permanent resident in the US guarantee you permission to stay on for work?</p>
<p>yes, I know there are a lot of south asians and indians there...I dont know if they are largely legal...I just heard it is hard...but indians and south asians do have valuable skills that make them marketable (I am not being stereotypical but they are good tech) and that could account for their large presence...yes south asians are the Asians of UK...and Europe while Chinese, Koreans are Oriental...from my experience everyone classifies all east Asians as chinese (I swear these are not my opinion, just check application forms of UK schools). To be sincere i dont know much about the immigration process of the UK and I am interested in finding out so if anyone has any idea...share.</p>
<p>Well I know about the singapore stuff because I went for an info session....well I read the stuff better and it applies to Chilean and Singapore, where 6800 work visas are provided specially for these people-i hate favoritism (jking)-and this is called the H1-B1 visa...google it. Australians (10,000 work visas reserved), canadians have other options...there a lot of options depending on determined you are i think. </p>
<p>I mentioned the OPT because H1B visas have a cycle which you have to adhere to...if you do not meet this cycle at first then you could work for one year with your OPT and apply again for teh H1-B...to be sincere there are lots of ways to go about it...when you have exhausted all options and nothing works then you have to go home...lol. It would take time to explain stuff by posts...I would say if you are not in college yet dont worry about it...too early...live your life</p>
<p>I dont get the part about working for a company in the states...but if you are working for a multinational in the states, oh, yes I get now what you are saying, and yes you could transfer to france or britain but hmm, dont forget these jobs are competitive, I hope you are going to an ivy league or MIT</p>
<p>Yep permanent residency allows you do nearly everything an american does not everything but close to it.</p>
<p>Sefago, I have not done the research myself, but today I pulled out the last memo I got from my legal department. It says: "don't even think about trying to hire someone with a student visa to work in any office in the States."</p>
<p>By the way doctors (international students studying medicine) do not have a work visa quota...yes they dont as long as they are doing residency for a university affiliated hospital...neither does university teaching...you are not part of the H1-B quota</p>
<p>Not quite Ivy League actually.. but top 30? I'm looking at USC! Hopefully their strong reputation for alumni connections & networking will come in helpful. I always hear this in discussions on the pros of going to USC, but wondered if it only applies to Americans who have the ability to work within the country.. If an international like me can't secure a visa to work then even the best alumni network in the world will be useless to me!</p>
<p>I know its early days yet but right now I'm torn between going to the US or the UK for studies and I don't want to make a wrong choice (which would be the case if I cannot stay on for work in whichever country I study in) and end up having to return home. If that is going to happen I might as well forget about going for overseas study cause it costs alot, you know what I mean? FA for internationals is really limited and I'm facing $200,000 in overall costs for a four-year period of study in America, and £80,000 for three years in the UK :(</p>
<p>Do you reckon there's anything I can/should try to work towards while in college, that will improve my chances of being able to stay for work upon grad? Maybe taking up more internships, etc.. Anything at all?</p>
<p>No 2: Don't ask me for advise lol, I am in the same boat as you except a junior---meaning I would soon graduate---I think picking the right major could help...math and computer science or engineering...internships are useful...see if you can get unpaid internships with good firms. Wow u are spending a lot of money on college</p>
<p>Yes! I just presumed I would be able to find work after my studies, but now that I delve deeper into this it doesn't seem all that optimistic. Its gotten me worried on my prospects and I don't wanna have to spend all that money on nothing.. I'm planning to do Business Admin at USC.</p>