What do we tell the coach(es)?

<p>Just finished our round of unofficial visits to div III schools. Question on how to proceed. DS is academically qualified at all these schools. Non Ivy schools, so no likelies.</p>

<p>School A: was DS's dream school. Coach wants him but doesn't have much pull. Has EA. T10 school.</p>

<p>School B: just visited. Actually may now be at the top of the list. Team is much stronger. Coach has pretty good pull, sounded confident, and will support him but wants commitment from him to attend if admitted. Has EA, no ED. T10 school.</p>

<p>School C: Coach wants/supports him. Has lots of pull and just about guaranteed admission. Has ED only. T20 school.</p>

<p>As we see it, coach B is turning EA into an ED for DS in exchange for his support. DS is close to being willing to do that. </p>

<p>Since admission to B is not guaranteed, we are planning on EA'ing both A and B. No ED to C. What do we tell coach A and C? In particular, we've been talking to coach A for quite a while and don't want to tick him off but feel like we need to tell him we're serious about B. Coach C knows we're likely not doing ED there, do we need to tell him more?</p>

<p>Trying to balance being honest with keeping our options open.</p>

<p>If you Coach B wants a commitment in return for his support, in my view you are morally obligated to honor that commitment if S is admitted–no ifs, ands, or buts. The right thing to do is to tell the other coaches and also say that you are still interested in the event the admissions process goes awry at B.</p>

<p>Having gone through the process before and again now, I think you need to put your kid first and not worry about what the coaches want or think. I think a lot of coaches try to keep as many kids on the string as possible and wait to see what sticks. You are your kid’s real advocate and I would steer him to do what is best for him.</p>

<p>EMM1: I fully agree. We have no intention of not following thru with Coach B if admitted. The question was how much/to tell A and C as in,</p>

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<li><p>do we wait until mid dec and say, well we decided on B instead.</p></li>
<li><p>do we tell A and C, we like B better, but you guys are our second/third choice if B doesn’t work out.</p></li>
<li><p>do we tell B that we’re still applying to A for EA even though we ‘committed’ to B?</p></li>
</ol>

<p>I do think B would be best for the kid and hope that works out. Coaches A and C have been very nice and we want to be fair to them and also to stay on their good side. These are not high powered recruiting programs, and have walk on newbies on the teams.</p>

<p>What are the EA/ED deadlines? Are they the same for all three?</p>

<p>Yes, in 10 days :)</p>

<p>Actually, we were almost precisely this situation with S1. He had applied ED2 to the school he currently attends with the coach’s support, but given his academic record, we were nervous. Breaking rule 1 (only the athlete himself deals with coaches) because I didn’t want to make him more nervous, without telling S I called a number of other coaches who had shown interest and asked if they would still support his application if the ED school fell through. They were very forthcoming, including in one case taking the time to go to the admissions office and reporting back on his prospects in the event that he did apply. All said that they would still support S’s application if the occasion arose.</p>

<p>EMM, I agree with parents talking to the coaches at this point in the process. I worried that, while many kids this age are mature, well-spoken, ask good questions, etc., at the end of the day, this is a fairly high-level negotiation and I felt my many years of experience in the adult world were needed to be sure we clearly understood what was being offered, and to send the message that an adult was paying attention and taking notes about the implied agreement being made.</p>

<p>I didn’t mean to be taken to suggest that parents should generally not be present, ask questions, etc. But as you know from having gone through the process, coaches typically want to talk to the recruit on important issues. Obviously, because of the delicate nature of the specific situation, I believed that I needed to act independently, and all of the coaches that I contacted seemed to understand.</p>

<p>^^ I did attend the meetings with the coaches at schools B and C. Afterwards, DS had no idea what the coaches were implying as far as what they wanted from him. He just thought they had a nice visit. He is naive all around, not just in this matter and that’s just him. I did also find that often the coaches would look at me and talk to me, despite my trying to stay in the background, to make sure I understood what they wanted.</p>

<p>cross posted with EMM1</p>

<p>College recruiting with D1 and most D2 prospects is pretty cut and dry, NCAA rules apply and coaches heavily persue their top recruits which result in the majority of athletes making either verbal or formal committments way in advance of the application process.</p>

<p>The D3 recruiting process is typically alot more difficult and stressful for most athletes at that level. The meat and potatoes of D3 recruiting takes place duirng August into December. D3 coaches typically are all looking for kids who were either low D1 and D2 recruits who either did not want to make the full time committment of a D1 program or the D2 schools might not have the academic reputation relative to the athletes capabilities. Please keep in mind that some sports at the D3 level can be just as competitive or almost as competitive as D1 and D2 schools (lacrosse, soccer, swimming).
Coaches typically try to recruit at least 3-4 kids at each position needed. Most D3 athletes have either start the recruiting process by completing online questionaires at the schools sports team websites or have received initial recruiting letters after being seen at tournament or club team events played outside of there high school sports season. D3 Coaches talk to each other, they see each other at most of these tournaments especially during summer and fall club team events, they have special coaches tents for sign in and breaks, they stay at the same local hotels, and eat at the same local restraunts. The worst thing any recruit can do is lie to a coach during the recruiting process, it is the number one mistake parents and kids make during the recruiting process.</p>

<p>Coaches are aware that each recruit is an individual and their academic and athletic abilities vary. They also know that athletes apply to and are being recruited by multiple schools. Recruiting at all levels really starts after the athlete and their parents go through a series of initial visits to the colleges and determine an athletic fit and feeling that the school is right for them and can see themselves attending that school if athletics were not part of the picture. You should alsways maximize your visit and set up a tour and interview to get additional insight on the culture of the school, academic requirements, ect…ect… During that same initial visit usually if not always athletic recruits, parents, and coaches have an initial introduction meeting and general discussions. In the D3 recruiting process this is the chance for athletes to ask questions with parents present, good coahes encourage parents to take part during this initial meeting. Ask the right questions. Do new recruits need to try out for the team ? Do I have a spot on the roster if I commit to you and your program ? What specific positions are you recruiting for ? How many recruits are you looking at for my specific position ? Where am I on your recruiting list (1-5) ? relative to How many upper classmen play my position on the team ? Where did you see me play ? How many times did you see me play ? Can you comment on my perfromances ? My strengths and weaknesses ? What role will I play as a freshman on the team ? Will I get playing time ?? What are the requirements for the program, # practices/week, weekly time commitment, offseason conditioning requirements, off season play ect…??? You should have a good idea about academic requirements and chances of getting into the school based on your admission interview. Have another discussion with the coach about your academics, grades, test scores, potential majors, admission chances, if he will support you application academically if needed, can you study abroad during off season, is there academic support, how do students access during sports season (if travel is involved), how many athletes graduate in 4 years, 5 years ??? </p>

<p>After that visit, coaches start to eliminate prospects. If you receive a personal letter or email from the coach you are still on his recruiting radar, if you recieve a follow-up phone call the week after your initial visit you can be assured you are a desired recruit or made his final list. The coach will ask during that phone call if you enjoyed your visit and what you thought of the school and sports program. Parents sometimes receive calls also, I have received a couple (my son is in this process, I was also an athlete). Be honest during this initial follow-up call if you are not interested after your visit tell him that although you enjoyed your visit and meeting that you cannot see yourself attending the school (maybe distance from home, school majors, to small, to big, culture ect). If the school and athletic program meet your criteria than tell him, but tell him you are moving through the process and have other initial visits to complete, and he is welcome to call you during this process. After you complete this initial process, you should have eleiminated some programs and schools, the goal would be get the number of schools that you feel are a good fit down to 4-5 schools.</p>

<p>The next step. The reqruiting process heats up, the top 3 recruits by position will be contacted weekly by the coaches from these 4-5 schools. It is their job, they need to confirm which recruits are serious about their specific school and program. They will ask which other schools and programs you are considering, where he falls on your list (be honest) they all talk and see each other during the fall sports season. They will then ask when you want to come out for a official/un-official weekend (D3 cannot pay for the transportation, but pay for on campus meals and events). These trips usually are for an overnight or complete weekend they start in late September, October and usually end in November. Request to audit classes and stay with potential teamate that is an upper classmen, try to go on a weekend where their is a sports event or a on campus event (my son scheduled his trips during homecoming or a rivals sports event). Bring a varied wardrobe (kahkies, casual dress shoes, jeans, golf tyoe shirt, sweatshirt, sneakers) you never know what they have planeed and you want to fit in with everyone, also bring a sleeping bag and pillow, sometimes you will need to sleep on the floor in the dorms. During this trip you will meet with the coach a couple of times over the weekend (be prepared for pointed questions), after your arrival he will hand you off to the designated teamate that you will be staying with (they act as intermediates for the coaches, be careful what you say and do, everyone is sizing you up, one wrong move and you could be done), you will shadow the teamate for the weekend. you will attend parties with a alot of booze present, if you do not drink decline, my son never had a problem if he did not want to partake in something, again be careful what you do, everyone is watching.
You will attend a team practice and or work out session, take note of the teams abilities and personalities…do they maych yours…the coaches personality will surely come out…can you deal with him…will you play and respond to his style…</p>

<p>The next step: If they call you the week after that visit, you have made the cut you are a final recruit, they will tell you this at that point. They will ask you if there school and program are on top of your list. They will ask you to apply early action (do not commit to early decisionunless you are sure about the program). Early action (typically November applications) lets you apply to those 2-3 or 4 schools just in case something changes. You will have the chance to receive acceptances ( December-early January) from a number of schools. After acceptences are mailed, the telephone lines heat up again, the coaches will request an answer and committment to thier program, after your verbal commitment they will request that you send your required enrollment paperwork and deposit to the school via overnight mail, so noone can stall them.</p>

<p>This has been a very quick overview of the typical D3 recruiting process, it actually can entail alot of committment relative travel time and cost to make sure your homework is complete and can rationally make the right decision.</p>

<p>I hope this hepls someone…good luck…</p>

<p>Well said, riverrunner. I agree that it is appropriate and wise for a parent to be involved in these negotiations. </p>

<p>ihs76 -</p>

<p>Delicate situation. Coaches want a commitment in exchange for support, but your son needs to hedge his commitment until Admissions weighs in.</p>

<p>I think you’re doing the right thing. EA both A and B and be prepared to let one coach down gently in December. Don’t worry too much about hurting coach’s feelings as long as you and DS are truthful throughout the process.</p>

<p>Remind DS (and yourself) how fortunate he is to have this dilemma.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>MJP2558, I like some of your recommended questions. However, I would assume these questions apply to D1 as well, such as, travel abroad on the off season, etc. Additionally, can I reasonably also assume that there is no overnight stay with a prospective teammate on an unofficial visit?</p>

<p>Beawinner! Plan on having an overnight. They want to see the recruits interact with the players. Unofficial just means they don’t pay for your trip.</p>

<p>beawinner, the questions apply to whatever division, they are extremely important, you are responsible for looking out for your student athlete, the process can be confusing and difficult eithout having a parent involved in the initial stages. Remember the coaches are virtual experts the student athlete a complete novice. </p>

<p>The visitation schedule (what I outlined) generally applies to all divisions and the recruiting process, they seldom vary. NCCA Rules allow D1 and D2 coaches to pay expenses (travel only) for one (1) “official” overnight visit. Communication timeframes and methods between athletes and coaches for D1 and D2 are strictly inforced by the NCAA Rules. D3 is unrestricted regarding communications, and they do not pay for any official visitation expenses. You can visit their website for all the rules, just Google “NCAA Clearing House”.</p>

<p>MJP, thanks for consolidating much of the information that is floating around on the site in terms of the entire process. It’s helpful to have it all laid out in sequence.</p>

<p>Our experience has been somewhat compacted in that, at least at the DIII level, DS’s sport is lower key. One coach asked for a commitment based just on DS’s stats during the initial visit after previous brief e-mail exchanges. I think it helped that DS’s academics were competitive at the schools.</p>

<p>MJP2558 your posts were very helpful, thank you for taking the time to write them.</p>

<p>My son is a high school senior and is just beginning the process of contacting D3 coaches in his sport. He realizes he’s well behind the power curve but is pressing forward because he knows that even if he can’t make the team as a walk-on his freshman year, he can work hard and try again as a sophomore. I’ve been trying to sort out how involved I should be in the process. So far I’ve only called one coach myself after there was no response to my son’s email and we needed to nail down a meeting time. I found out too late that my son misspelled a school name - twice! - in an email to another coach.</p>

<p>My son has had zero response when he’s filled out online recruiting forms. Has anyone found them to be worth the time to fill out?</p>

<p>ish76, My son is being recruited for lacrosse, visablity and chances of being recruited go up exponentially if you can make and play for a successful (high level) well known club team. This takes alot of time, money, and commitment. My son (his choice) was away most of the summer attending tournaments and showcases with his team. My son decided that the D1 commitment was not for him , and most of the D2 schools were not a good match for academics. The recruiting process can be very rewarding experience for everyone involved if handled correctly. It takes alot of time, effort, and organization.</p>

<p>Don’t know anything about volleyball specifically, but I have a few suggestions:
suggestions:</p>

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<li><p>Can S get reliable, unbiased advice about whether it is plausible for him to be recruitable? If so, such advice is indispensable.</p></li>
<li><p>A coach can’t tell anything from a recruiting form. I suspect that S needs tape–not just highlight tape, but game tape. </p></li>
<li><p>Coaches probably get lots of email. It would probably be more effective for S–not you–to call the coaches at the schools in which he has interest, talk in general about his situation, and then follow with the tape (I guess they are probably disks now).</p></li>
<li><p>Are there exposure camps in volleyball? If so, they are indispensable for players who do not have big reps. Again, he needs to let coaches know where he will be.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Good luck!</p>

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We found them to be a complete waste of time. Got a couple of computer generated auto-responses with no human follow-up, and one email directly from a coach offering support and asking son if his application had been submitted yet, despite son indicating on recruiting form that he was still a junior.

Same thing with fencing. Some college coaches seem too lazy to look at the national points standings or check out the talent at the national tournaments. I suppose it’s easier to just ask the coaches at the top 2 or 3 clubs who their hot prospects for the year are.</p>