<p>i don't think art is a typical asian thing...is it?</p>
<p>it's not WAYYY typical -- but a lot of asians are into art. You might get some credit because the artsy asians usually aren't aiming for the top colleges or whatever</p>
<p>TKmonkey14: Many people think that they are underprivileged, but they ARE NOT! Many times, Asians are poorer than all these URMs but get to be so smart and successful because of how hard they tried. If every URM and group could learn to get their lazy butts off of the sofa and study hard like asians, they wouldn't be URMS anymore would they? Colleges should not follow AA to the extent that they turn down much more qualified candidates. It just encourages more blacks, latinos, and others to slack off in school because they think "Affirmative Action" is going to save the day when the time comes. Scrapping this rule to an extent will be like a slap in the face, telling these URMs to wake up and realize that they have to work harder to get farther.</p>
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<p>What ignorance. My father was working at the age of 12 to support his family; he dropped out of school before he could graduate so he could take a job that would provide his family with a steady source of income. I would hardly call choosing food on the table over an education as choice that he would take lightly because he was 'lazy'. Many times minorities are forced to pursue a steady income because they don't have the luxury of going to school everyday without worrying about where money is coming in. I am proud to have a father who has worked up to provide his family with all of the opportunities in the world. He has sacrificed himself so my brother and I could have the opportunities he wasn't able to have as a child. I really hope you get a reality check before you post a stereotype like that again.</p>
<p>so are the chances that asians can get into HYP or other relaly good schools augmented by a significant amount if they don't fit the stereotype?</p>
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I can corroborate these observations in South Campus...</p>
<p>its hard seeing these posts being filipino</p>
<p>we're <i>asian</i></p>
<p>but we're <i>pacific islander</i></p>
<p>but yeah, i'm just adding onto what everyone else said. Typical asian stereotype: works hard at school, focuses on the bigger picture when it comes to studying, projects, grades, and school aka COLLEGE</p>
<p>Oh typically, asian parents don't like their kids going into the arts or liberal studies. They rather want their kids to go into nursing, medical, or engineering because its more secure in getting an actual job than being an artist, actor, musician, or someone majoring in liberal arts. That's how my mom is. If I told her I was going to study theatre in college, she'd laugh at me and threaten to not pay for my college because theatre won't get me a stable job and is unreliable compared to, say, being a nurse. It doesn't matter that theatre makes me happy, it matters that i survive in life with financial and job security.</p>
<p>TKmonkey14: Many people think that they are underprivileged, but they ARE NOT! Many times, Asians are poorer than all these URMs but get to be so smart and successful because of how hard they tried. If every URM and group could learn to get their lazy butts off of the sofa and study hard like asians, they wouldn't be URMS anymore would they? Colleges should not follow AA to the extent that they turn down much more qualified candidates. It just encourages more blacks, latinos, and others to slack off in school because they think "Affirmative Action" is going to save the day when the time comes. Scrapping this rule to an extent will be like a slap in the face, telling these URMs to wake up and realize that they have to work harder to get farther.</p>
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<p>Not really true - whether its because they 'work harder' or not, if the area I live in is any indication even if there are fewer Asians who seem to be fantastically wealthy, there's a certain standard of prosperity beyond the average that most Asian and Indian families seem to meet. Referrring again to the San Jose-Cupertino bay area, it's quite expensive and around Lynbrook there's not a single house to be bought for far below a million and generally its over that mark, plus there's all the spending on random summer programs and other things (all extracurriculurs are rather expensive, the serious ones anyway). For the most part, the parents in these families (first-generation or second-generation) hit the ground running and haven't stopped since with tech-ish jobs and have worked for that prosperity, mainly to put their kids in the areas where the public schools are good.</p>
<p>In fact, again as a cynic, a good 70-80% of 'Asians' I've met in a school where we comprise 60% are... I would go as far to say 'undeserving'... Plenty of them are rather lazy, they have entitlement issues with grades (the APUSH teacher last year got sacked in practice because kids went to their parents about not getting As for a class few were working hard for), the minor cheating that's so common... Or rather, there's just a lot of getting more than they deserve, not really a complete lack of work.</p>
<p>Why is it that people automatically assume Asians to be chinese, japanese, korean etc. INDIANS ARE ASIAN TOO. Indians make up atleast a third of the asian population. Yet, they are inexplicably overlooked. I propose that Indians also be included in this discussion.</p>
<p>Most Asian countries don't care about EC's or anything of that sort. It's ALL ABOUT GRADES AND SCORES!!!</p>
<p>prolixity: random, but I'm filipino too! I have to say though, that of all the asians in the group, I think filipinos are the ones that don't fit into the asian stereotype most. A lot of filipinos at my school are more into dancing than grades..</p>
<p>ravindra: half of the stereotypes posted in this apply to indians too. They usually excel in the same areas as the rest of the asians, and the parents want their kids to go into medicine, engineering, etc.</p>
<p>LOL </p>
<p>dancing!!</p>
<p>i can believe that.</p>
<p>its because we gots the azn rhythm fo sho. (oh goodnesss....)</p>
<p>I think a lot of the asian success is due to cultural background. Two of my Asian friends have been studying for standardized testing since 8th grade. Their parents will disown them if they dont go to an ivy and wont let them go out on Saturday nights because they need to study. I also know two adopted asians. The ones who emigrated from China make fun of them because don't fit the stereotype at all. They are B- average students who have average test scores and will probably go to the state university. From my observations, nurture rules over nature.</p>
<p>i agree totally! :0</p>
<p>I was born in HK, but raised in america. Some of my asian and non-asian friends think im white-washed. Truth is, just because I'm azn doesnt mean that I have to fit the stereotypical image. I get As - Bs on my report card, I don't lock myself up in my room trying to memorize every digit of pi, I don't always study, I go out on friday and saturaday nights, I date guys [haha my parents dont know though], I'm into sports, I'm into snowboarding, I dance [break and hiphop], I act, I sing, I cheerlead..... but so what? Does that actually make me white-washed? Or does that make me my own person? I'm not ashamed of being asian and I speak my language proudly... but I also like to have fun and refuse my parent's demands lol. What im saying is... not being the stereotypical azn does not make you white-washed so ppl shud stop assuming that.</p>
<p>haha, if anyone watches Mad TV, this thread is making me think of the whole "Average Asian" sketch they do with Bobby Lee, that always cracks me up...</p>
<p>I agree with upsideofdown about the nature vs. nurture thing. My parents were both born in the US and they were raised by their grandparents who wanted them to be Americans, not Asians. This was very typical as most people who came to the US from China at the same time as my grandparents saw America as a booming culture and a place where they could truly accomplish their goals of success, so they encouraged their kids to be more like Americans and tried to rid of their inherent Asian culture. Since my parents were raised not to be typical Asians, they don't raise me like typical Asian parents would, so my grades aren't anywhere near perfect and I don't get perfect scores or study all weekend. This might have both helped or hurt me in the end, since I don't have great numbers and scores to put on my transcript, but then again I am very happy socially and just overall happy with my life. Not many of the Asians I know who work their asses off all day can say the same for themselves (ie: I hate my parents, I hate my life, etc.)</p>
<p>My parents know these other Asian parents who sent their kids to college when they were supposed to be high school freshmen. They had their kids skip middle school, which meant they were only eleven when they entered high school. They both went to MIT, and when they arrived there, they were only fourteen, so their parents moved all the way from California up to Boston to babysit their kids while they went to college. When they were both in grad school, the kids their age had just stepped into college. The older kid is now a college professor at University of Colorado, Boulder teaching students who are almost the same age as he is. He pretty much accepted that his life would forever be centered around his career and not a social life. However, the younger one completely rebelled against his parents and tore apart his entire life, telling his parents he'd hate them forever for taking away his childhood and his social life, and for not having any true friends in his life. Now no one really knows where he is or what he's doing because instead of his parents disowning him for rebelling, he disowned his family for forcing him to be like that.</p>
<p>I had typed up a different reply to the original post, but everything I previously had to say had already been said over and over again in this thread, so I thought I'd just share some different insight about the Asian world from two different extremes of the spectrum: one extreme being my atypical Asian parents and the other being the craziest Asian parents I've ever personally known in my life.</p>
<p>cyanthis: I wonder your bad experiences with these Asian families so-called tech-ish jobs and have worked for that prosperity has made you incorrectly comment the quality of Asian people in general. Asian is one of the hard working people in the world. Yes, they care about the number (grade, score, money? but who don't ) but they dont like cheating. (Confucius philosophy). Your personal experiences should not impose to all.</p>
<p>every kid at my school last year with a 1600 old SAT was chinese</p>
<p>Hm.... I don't really know that many Korean people... but i'm asian but was adopted from South Korea... this is why I'm the biggest twinkie ever... i'm like opposite from anything asian.....except for being pretty hardworking/overworking and intelligent.......i'm really big like 6footsomething and i weigh a ton like 215ish.. i dont' need glasses... i don't have evil asian parents like the 3! other asian kids in my grade.... but yes people have told me i constantly overwork myself, and i get caught up over college and stuff and i do play tennis and soccer.. so iguess i'm half and half... but my clothes are all abercrombie/polo/le tirgre/lacoste/american eagle and all that other stuff.. what do average asians wear???</p>
<p>average asians at my school wear what ever their parents buy for them, usually stretch pants and sweaters and those little canvas sneakers from wal-mart, this is no joke. The few asians we have at our school are very very very introverted and have developed almost no small talk skills at all, confidence seems to be lacking or is that another stereotypical trait of being shameful and losing face?</p>