<p>haha, it is surviving the recession isn’t it? I think citi is the “citi” upon a hill when it comes to business. I don’t think you know anything. You’re just looking at your personal biases, and it is libelous. I am stating fact: “I didn’t meet any Mendoza grads at Citi.” However, I did meet Ivy, Stern, Ross, Sloan, etc etc grads.</p>
<p>I have nothing against ND to begin with, although it seems like you have a personal connection.</p>
<p>I have nothing against the finance industry, honestly. I just thought I’d respond to your biased, ridiculous statement with one of my own.</p>
<p>bc,
Sorry, but we see this very differently. We can turn this into a political discussion if you like, but there is a long history of academic antipathy to religion and colleges with religious affiliation. </p>
<p>Maybe I’m impolite in publicly stating it, but I hardly see academia as defenders of religion or free speech or free thought or arbiters of right and wrong. Look at the shameful way that the Duke faculty acted (and still acts) in relation to the lacrosse scandal. Still haven’t heard an apology out of them for their mean-spirited and grossly inaccurate rush to judgment and I sure don’t remember any members of academia, at Duke or elsewhere, standing up for the accused boys. </p>
<p>Perhaps you mean that academia is open and tolerant in the way that Notre Dame is inviting a graduation speaker with opposite views on core values. Maybe, but is that the norm in elite academia? It will be interesting to see how the President is treated when he speaks at Commencement on the 17th. Who knows what will happen, but let’s compare that to how conservatives are regularly abused/harassed/shouted down when they visit college campuses. I don’t remember many academics standing up and insisting that conservatives be given a respectful reception and there being a cordial exchange of views. If Obama is treated coarsely at Notre Dame (and, despite being a conservative, I hope that he is not), I will be interested to see how elite academia reacts to that. We’ll probably see a further drop in ND’s already too-low (Liberal) Peer Assessment score. </p>
<p>The fact is that liberals control academia, they have for decades and it’s probably worse now than ever. If one is looking for a monolithic class in America, there are few better examples than the world of elite academia. There is NOT diversity of political opinion in elite academia. Voting patterns very clearly confirm this. A 2007 Harvard study reported that fewer than 5% of humanities and social science profs describe themselves as conservatives while 55% self-identified as liberals. That’s more than an 11-1 ratio. Thank goodness there is more balance in the business schools and in some of the technical fields to moderate some of their radicalism. </p>
<p>You’re right that my words unfairly paint all academics with a large black brush and, for that, I will apologize. I do believe that there are MANY in academia who are truly superb people and are embarrassed by some of the ridiculousness that goes on on some campuses. But these folks know where their bread is buttered. Challenge the dominant liberal line of thinking and see your career come to a screeching end. Keep your mouth shut and play along and you’ve got a chance to have a nice, long career with a lot of perks. </p>
<p>nuclear,
Citigroup is alive and still kicking for one reason and one reason only-the government made the decision to rob American taxpayers and cover the massive losses that Citi had on its books. We and our children will be paying for this for a long, long time.</p>
<p>Hawkette, Alexandre is right. The main drawing point at the reason why Notre Dame’s so successful in getting acceptees to commit, etc is because of the Catholic association. I know of two friends who chose Notre Dame over Northwestern and Dartmouth specifically because Notre Dame was more Catholic-centric, and that was what their parents had wanted.</p>
<p>UCLA is an amazing school, however Notre Dame is a tier 1 school, better than most Ivys, unfortunately they are not comparable. However, they are opposite, so if you love UCLA then you would probably hate Notre Dame and vice versa. Although I have never heard of one person hating Notre Dame.</p>
<p>To me, Notre Dame is the University of Florida of a prior generation. As it won national championships more and more talented students wanted to go there. Now, Alums have to worry about beating Navy in football and their basketball program hasn’t been relevant in over 30 years.</p>
<p>And just to cause a little trouble, if BC were to win a national title in football and basketball, the whole place would go to weeds. Not that that’s such a bad outcome for South Bend, Indiana.</p>
<p>Ucla is a more accomplished, recognized, and prestigious university than notre dame by nearly every measure. And this is from someone who lives in the Midwest. This is demonstrated by the fact that nd fails to translate having students with one of the highest entering sat score average into alumni that are considerably more accomplished or produce as much research as schools like cal, ucla, Michigan, ect </p>
<p>Nd is a good university, but with it appeals to relatively few outside of Catholics because, frankly, it has little special to offer outside of being a great environment to Catholics when cmpared to most universities nd and us news might consider it’s peers. That is what is reflected in it’s dismal pa score.</p>
<p>I didn’t get it until I went to a football game. It was amazing. Its like…you’re immediately a part of this family. I went back for a tennis camp there and fell in love with the campus, too. Most of the people I know that love ND, they have a family tradition, its an important thing for them to go there</p>
<p>tyler, let UCLA get on berkelys level before you start saying it’s any where near ND never mind more accomplished, recognized etc. Both great schools, but UCLA doesnt compare to ND. It doesn’t matter if the majority of the kids that go there are catholic or that their football team is probably the most famous college team in America. The fact is, ND is recognized all around the world. UCLA is # wat in california? 4? 5?</p>
<p>Tyler,</p>
<p>Thanks for your completely unsupported comment that ND has nothing to offer besides a Catholic environment. Apparently an undergrad business program ranked higher than Wharton by Businessweek is not too impressive.</p>
<p>You should probably let the US News know about your recent discoveries; they are apparently not aware of the mediocre education at ND as they have mistakenly been placing them in the top 25 Universities in the nation.</p>
<p>What is special about ND? It’s something you can’t really describe in a list. My dad went to ND, so I grew up an ND fan, but during high school I had always planned to branch out because ND seemed almost too familiar. Yet as hard as I try to embrace other schools and dislike Notre Dame, I can’t.</p>
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<li>It has a stunning Campus, no busy streets or parking garages</li>
<li>Campus really has a welcoming, warm atmosphere despite the bitter cold temperatures</li>
<li>Football games are remarkable; the love that students, alumni, and even faculty have for their school is a testament to how special the place is. Their passion makes the football games so incredible.</li>
<li>Incredible academics ranging from the basic liberal arts education, to architecture, engineering, and business.</li>
<li>Inclusive dorm system that leads to an even bigger sense of family amongst the students.</li>
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<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>And, btw, the business week b-school rankings are a joke. You’d be hard-pressed to find an employer (non ND alumni) that respects Mendoza higher than Wharton or Ross. </p>
<p>Which is why is you check their starting salaries:
[Undergraduate</a> Business School Ranking with Placement and Salary | Admission Sync](<a href=“http://admissionsync.com/2007/12/14/undergraduate-business-school-ranking-with-placement-and-salary-statistics/]Undergraduate”>http://admissionsync.com/2007/12/14/undergraduate-business-school-ranking-with-placement-and-salary-statistics/)</p>
<p>ND clearly doesn’t deliver as well as Business Week would suggest. Its business school is much more comparable to UT’s. Great B-schools, but not as spectacular as Wharton, Ross, Sloan and Stern.</p>
<p>you clearly have no idea what your talking about, did you even graduate college?</p>
<p>While I agree that ND is a great (tier 1, if you’d like) school with lots of talented kids, there is no way it is “better than most Ivys.” (The foodball team certainly is…) In terms of academic caliber, ND doesn’t compare to the Ivies or its peers. Just go take a look at over-all rankings or threads on CC where people rank top 20-30 colleges…</p>
<p>catholics are crazy anyways.</p>
<p>Masskid, I would disagree to this statement: </p>
<p>“tyler, let UCLA get on berkelys level before you start saying it’s any where near ND never mind more accomplished, recognized etc. Both great schools, but UCLA doesnt compare to ND. It doesn’t matter if the majority of the kids that go there are catholic or that their football team is probably the most famous college team in America. The fact is, ND is recognized all around the world. UCLA is # wat in california? 4? 5?”</p>
<p>Having gone to a Catholic High School, I have never heard of Notre Dame until sometime during my Junior when I first started my college search and looked on US News for top colleges. I can tell you that most people in my Catholic High School do not know of Notre Dame and if they are familiar with the name its because of the movie The Hunchback of Notre Dame or because of the churches named Notre Dame in Europe. Notre definitely does not have a better reputation than UCLA. I can tell you that 98 percent of the students in my high school are familiar with UCLA whether its because of academics, sports, research breakthrough, its world-renowned hospital, the professors there, etc. I am almost certain that more people are familiar with the UCLA name than Notre Dame because I first heard of UCLA back when I was like five year, way before I even knew what college was. Internationally, UCLA is generally perceived as more prestigious than many of the ivies. I heard somewhere that UCLA is the most recognized name in the whole world. In Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranking, UCLA is ranked number 13 while University of Notre Dame is ranked in between 201-300. </p>
<p>With all this said, I do believe that at Notre Dame students will probably receive more attention from professor and the classes with be smaller, so yes maybe the the undergrad education will be more personal. Ultimately though, both are great universities. I kind of wish that I did apply to Notre Dame so that I could have at least considered it.</p>
<p>collegeundergrad, did you go to one of those non-catholic catholic highschools, because you are speaking crazy talk. As a graduate of a catholic high school, and knowing of two other catholic schools near mine, the two most popular colleges are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Almost every high schooler at a catholic high school knows of Notre Dame and Georgetown. At least on the east coast. Seriously. Did you go to high school on the west coast?</p>
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<p>This sentiment of ignorance and hatred perfectly captures why many people will continue to deny Notre Dame’s supremacy among colleges and universities in the United States.</p>
<p>It also perfectly explains “it’s dismal pa score,” in Tyler09’s own words.</p>
<p>If Notre Dame were the best known school in America it wouldn’t surprise me. </p>
<p>Internationally, UCLA beats Notre Dame by 23 touchdowns, at least according to The Times. </p>
<p>[Times</a> Higher Education - Education news, resources and university jobs for the academic world](<a href=“World University Rankings | Times Higher Education (THE)”>World University Rankings | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>
<p>I think that bclintonk perfectly summarizes ND in post #5. </p>
<p>To me, ND has always been overrated if judged on purely academic terms. There may be other attributes that recommend it (e.g. athletics, pretty campus, Catholic ethos, comraderie based on tradition, name recognition, an extensive business network of successful alumni) but academics is not one of them.</p>
<p>kwu catholics believe in a zombie man that lives in the stars. isnt that crazy?</p>