What is it about Notre Dame that people love?

<p>Blackbird, I go to a pretty Catholic High School on the east coast. The thing is the people in my school are either super intelligent or just average. At my school the students who are at the top of the class get accepted to the ivies and comparable schools. I’m sure some of these students do apply to Notre Dame, but in the end they end up going to the more prestigious ivies or top Liberal Art Colleges. I’m sure some of the average students apply to Notre Dame as well, hoping to get in, but they generally don’t. Each year we send about 1-2 students to Notre Dame.</p>

<p>Also my HS while Catholic does not have that religious camaraderie that may or may not exist at other Catholic HS; religion class is generally a joke and the easiest to pull an A+ in. The school itself is very Catholic but the student body doesn’t represent it.</p>

<p>Georgetown, on the hand, is much more well known at my school than is Notre Dame. Is Notre Dame really the best known school in America, even more so than Harvard? I find that especially hard to believe since most Americans are not Catholic. Anyone agree with me that UCLA is more widely known in the US than Notre Dame?</p>

<p>i didnt know ND was an elite academic school before last year. i always thought it was jsut a football school.</p>

<p>collegeundergrad, I come from a school very similar to yours although in the midwest.</p>

<p>I think that Catholic name recognition tends to vary by region to some degree. For example, in Boston and the surrounding New England states, Boston College is very popular, while on the East Coast, Georgetown gets the edge. At my school, ND is the clear leader in recognition, and as I said, my school is in the midwest.</p>

<p>But, while these small regional variations do occur, I still think all three of these schools have great national name recognition (GT and ND more so than BC)</p>

<p>I agree that ND does not have the same recognition as schools like Harvard and Georgetown, but I still think it trumps UCLA.</p>

<p>I agree with collegeundergrad that UCLA has the greater name recognition. I don’t think any of my classmates, teachers, or neighbors have not heard of UCLA while, on the other hand, I’m sure there are tons of people who have never heard of Notre Dame. I’m also from the east coast by the way. </p>

<p>On UCLA website, it states that UCLA receive more application than any other US university. I think this fact speaks for itself. Next it also says the “the UCLA logo is the most widely recognized university logo in the world”. Theres much more if you want to read it for yourself: [31</a> Reasons Why UCLA is an Amazing Place](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/flash/31reasons/]31”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/flash/31reasons/)</p>

<p>We know who are ND’s athletic peers, but who are its academic peers?</p>

<p>George Washington University
American University
Marquette University
Syracuse University
Miami University of Ohio
University of Santa Clara
Wake Forest University
Boston College
Southern Methodist University
Stetson University
Baylor University
University of Dallas
Brigham Young University (perhaps ND’s closest peer on a number of levels)
Gonzaga University
University of the Redlands
Pepperdine University</p>

<p>While ND may be a bit more selective from an admissions standpoint than some of the schools above, I think that all are in the range with ND academically.</p>

<p>I disagree with that list Balletgirl. I think Notre Dame’s academic peers are Emory, Georgetown, Rice, Tufts, Vanderbilt and WUSTL.</p>

1 Like

<p>No way Alexandre!</p>

<p>Way off, BalletGirl.</p>

1 Like

<p>BalletGirl, that comparison was atrocious.</p>

<p>Academic peers would be schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgetown, Boston College, and Tufts</p>

<p>Interesting discussion…</p>

<p>Undoubtedly, both UCLA and Notre Dame are great universities. I would give the edge to UCLA since I believe it has better academics. Both colleges have their respective x-factors; UCLA being its location, food, endless opportunities, professors, weather, school spirit, etc; Notre Dame shares many of these attributes as well but you can add in the Catholic community environment. </p>

<p>Collegeclass I found you post to be good evidence that UCLA is more widely known than Notre Dame even in the United states: </p>

<p>"I agree with collegeundergrad that UCLA has the greater name recognition. I don’t think any of my classmates, teachers, or neighbors have not heard of UCLA while, on the other hand, I’m sure there are tons of people who have never heard of Notre Dame. I’m also from the east coast by the way.</p>

<p>On UCLA website, it states that UCLA receive more application than any other US university. I think this fact speaks for itself. Next it also says the “the UCLA logo is the most widely recognized university logo in the world”. Theres much more if you want to read it for yourself: <a href="http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/flash/31reasons/“&gt;http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/flash/31reasons/&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/p&gt;

<p>All are great reasons why UCLA is a wonderful and unique institution. Outside the US I would without a doubt give UCLA the prestige factor and name recognition.</p>

<p>Notre Dame has strong academics, nice campus and perhaps the best athletic heritage in the country(ND fight song best). Academics step below Stanford and Duke but comparable to Northwestern. Alumni network is among the best although among Catholic schools Holy Cross has higher alumni giving rate at 55%.</p>

<p>
[quote=]
BalletGirl, that comparison was atrocious.</p>

<p>Academic peers would be schools like Vanderbilt, Emory, Georgetown, Boston College, and Tufts

[/quote]
</p>

<p>I agree, that list was terrible.</p>

<p>"I think you’re just mad that ND football beat Michigan last year by 18 points…and that they’re probably going to do it again this year…by an even larger margin. :wink: "</p>

<p>I have been thinking about what you said Hawkette. Would you care to make a friendly wager?! hehe! I say Michigan will beat Notre Dame on September 12. It won’t be as convincing as our 2003 (38-0), 2006 (47-21) and 2007 (38-0…in South Bend no less) wins, but I predict it will still go in the W column for the men in Blue!</p>

<p>Reasons to like ND: second-best football tradition, all-time (after Michigan, the all-time winningest football program).</p>

<p>Wow I have never seen a dumber thread in my life. If there is one person in the United States of America or even the world who says that UCLA should be mentioned in the same sentence as Notre dame clearly can’t get into a community college. College undergrad #1 UCLA will always be under Berkely’s shadow, and Berkely doesn’t even compare to ND. #2 There is no way you went to a catholic school and have not heard of notre dame, it’s not possible, unless you went to a school for the blind and deaf, what have you been living under a rock? come on now. Have you heard of Harvard, Princeton, Yale any of these schools ringing a bell, because Notre Dame’s name is just as popular as these schools, it’s not quite in their rank however it’s close. #3 UCLA is good but no where near an ivy internationally, international students don’t tend to attend public universities, although there is nothing wrong with them. International students come to America mostly for the reason to take advantage of their private education, if they wanted a public, they would stay in their country. #4 Ever think that maybe the reason a catholic school in Shanghai is ranked low is because it’s catholic and Shanghai’s religion is pretty much anti-catholic. Overall that was a terrible post for you, I’m sorry, just regroup and get them next time. I just looked and your the OP huh? I mean it’s common knowlege ND is better if you werent willing to hear that you shouldnt of posted it.</p>

<p>Ballet girl, that list is rediculous, stop talking.</p>

<p>I’m sorry to be a jerk but come on guys, no one who wasnt hidden behind a computer screen would say in their right mind that UCLA is better than ND. Unless they want to go to a Community college, then by all means.</p>

<p>Come on guys, lets get real here, I know you can sound as rediculous as you want because it’s not your real identity that looks like an idiot when you say something like “UCLA is a better school than the University of Notre Dame” or “Ive never heard of Notre Dame” I mean come on, kid if someone who says something like that got into UCLA then its clearly not better lol. stuff like that makes the school look bad.</p>

<p>I think we’re forgetting the reason this site exists, so that we can help prospective students with their college choices, not make it seem like your school is the best school in the nation? What’s next ummm…arizona state is better than harvard?</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>I got into Harvard by a likely letter.</p>

<p>UCLA and Cal are better overall academic universities than ND.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>Excuse me? What’s the Duke situation got to do with religious tolerance or intolerance? You’re just trying to change the subject here, hawkette. A pretty sleazy rhetorical tactic.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>To the extent the phenomenon you describe is real, it’s not academics doing the shouting. It’s students. And it happens across the political spectrum. It’s a function of teenage group-think. Among left-leaning student bodies, there’s intolerance for conservative viewpoints. Among right-leaning student-bodies, there is every bit as much intolerance of left-leaning viewpoints. True, more students these days lean left than right, by a wide margin. It’s a convenient fiction for conservatives to blame that on the pernicious influence of left-leaning faculty, but that’s just pure, unadulterated b.s. Students think for themselves, but they tend to do so in groups. Thus is it now, as it always has been. Conservative viewpoints are generally waning among students. Live with it.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>Ummm . . . that would seem to leave 40% as “moderates.” So 55% “liberal”, 45% “moderate” or “conservative.” Is that so unbalanced? And does it actually matter? If I think back to my own college days, I really have no idea what were the political leanings of my French instructors. Or the professor who taught the Homeric epics. Or the classicist who taught Greek mythology. Or the enthnomusicologist who exposed me to the rich variety of American popular music idioms. Or the cultural anthropologist who taught us about the indigenous peoples of New Guinea among whom he had lived for four years. Or, for that matter, the historian who taught 19th and 20th century Russian history; it was clear he had no love for the Bolsheviks, but beyond that, I really have no idea whether he voted straight D or straight R or split his ticket, and it really didn’t figure into how he taught the course. Or the philosophers of science, philosophers of language, philosophers of mind. Politics just didn’t enter the classroom very much; too trivial and tawdry, perhaps, but mainly just not relevant to the subject matter at hand. Perhaps because I went to schools where academic excellence and single-minded pursuit of knowledge wherever it led trumped ideology and partisan political leanings every time. But my impression, having been there not only as an undergraduate at a leading public but as a graduate student at two Ivies, and subsequently as a faculty member at several major universities, is that’s the norm in American academia, not the exception. A few disgruntled conservatives may whine that theirs is not the majority viewpoint. But if so, it’s not because of pervasive political or ideological bias. That’s just simply a canard, a loser’s excuse. In the vast majority of academic disciplines, ideology and political affiliation are simply irrelevant. And I have never, not once in all my years in academia, seen anything remotely resembling an effort to enforce political correctness or to use ideology as a litmus test in faculty hiring or promotion—except in a handful of instances when conservatives have insisted on a kind of ideological affirmative action, arguing the institution was under an obligation in the name of “diversity” to hire more self-identified conservatives regardless of academic merit. </p>

<p>

</p>

<p>I know this is a popular Sean Hannity talking point, but I think it’s pure b.s. I have yet to see one documented case where a conservative academic has been silenced or denied tenure or promotion on account of his or her political views. That’s not to say such silencing or career disabling doesn’t happen, but in our nation’s history, including recent history up to the present, it’s happened far more often when the unorthodox views were of the left, not of the right.</p>

<p>I see in the Times poll that Michigan is ranked 18th in the world and UCLA is 30th. That’s about right. ;-)</p>

<p>

Excuse me for asking … What exactly does the UCLA logo look like? And by “the world”, do you mean the United States of America? For over here in Asia, there are a lot more people who have heard of UC-Berkeley but not UCLA.</p>

<p>“I got into Harvard by a likely letter.”</p>

<p>Son please dont lie, There is no way in gods name you got into harvard and you “went to a catholic school and you never heard of notre dame” Notre dame is the king of catholic schools in America, trust me, if your guidance counselor thought you could get into ND, he would of brought it up to you. </p>

<p>Even if you did, no one in their right mind would turn down harvard for UCLA LOL. Possibly michigan but UCLA is no where michigan, so that’s a lie.</p>

<p>I dont know what UCLA’s logo is, are they the bears?</p>