College Courses Taken During High School Enrollment
All undergraduate students entering USC may receive a combined maximum of 32 elective units for college courses taken before high school graduation and/or examinations (e.g., AP or IB) taken before matriculation at a two-year or four-year college. A maximum of 16 of these 32 units will be allowed for college courses taken before high school graduation. These courses must appear on the college transcript as part of the regular college curriculum and are expected to be taught on the college campus by college faculty and not used toward high school graduation.
interesting. Our local public high school has 75% of its AP classes also taught as DE; so kids have AP on transcripts, DE credit to transfer. All taught in the high school. wonder how USC would process that?
(itās circular - DE is popular because its a SURE THING for the credit; the AP gives credit only if the test is passed; and the school has a dismal pass rate of AP classes. . . . . but partly because the kids are getting DE credit and dont need the AP pass so they dont try. )
Apologies if too off topic, just curious: does USC typically allow placement out of non-CA DE calc 3 and linear algebra, or are those typically retaken? As far as I can see, they donāt fall into any of the usual buckets of CA CCs and itās unclear from the website how advanced the placement test is. I realize that ultimately the student would just ask the math dept, but I figure someone here might know.
Iām not sure how USC determines math placement. It may fall to the AP test score.
My son is at UC Berkeley and had dual enrollment credit for Calc 1 and 2. He was able to start at Berkeley in Multi variable Calc 3. The UCs and Cal States will generally honor that.
Yes UC Berkeley is generous with this, but it doesnāt always work out quite like that for every student. S23 reports that he knows several other first years who originally passed out of the first calc class or two with DE credit, but are now in the process of dropping back to a lower level of calc, or dropping calc completely in their first semester, because they feel that their DE classes didnāt prepare them well enough. He was just talking to me today about thatā¦ Not to say this is the case for your kid though!!! I am guessing from what my son is reporting that CC/DE courses probably vary a lot in rigor?
My kid did the AP calc BC route, passed with a 5 (said test was easy), went straight to multivariable calc and feels appropriately prepared.
my sonās calc class was DE calc 2 and AP calc BC. He also took the BC test, which I guess insures preparedness. He took all the corresponding AP tests with his DE classes.
Should a student who completed precalculus in high school repeat it in college before taking calculus in college?
Should a student with a 5 in AP Spanish who wants to continue Spanish in college take the beginner Spanish 1 course in college instead of a higher level Spanish course?
Should a student with a 5 in AP calculus BC in 11th grade repeat calculus at a college in 12th grade instead of taking multivariable calculus and/or linear algebra at a college?
Yes Iām sure it depends on the kid, their preparation, and the prof, etc. My kid said he did a bunch of multivariable calc in his AP physics C class too (using the same math book that heās using at Cal now) because his HS physics teacher said he couldnāt properly teach physics without the calc that went along with it. So he feels like itās all pretty familiar right now. But he also has friends with just calc AB, or a 4 on the BC test, or who didnāt take the physics class and get the extra math, etc., who are happy they didnāt skip ahead. YMMV.
Calculus based physics E&M in college is commonly specified with at least a co-requisite of multivariable calculus. High school AP physics C E&M does not, and is less commonly accepted for subject credit and advanced placement than some other AP scores.
"at one college the student panel said - Take the intro class again. Donāt take the Ap Credit. "
That college was Colorado School of Mines - where the student panel said take your core engineering classes again. My son should have listened (although he went elsewhere) - but Iām sure each kid is different. Mine WDād. Got an A the next time.
Long ago in the mists of time, I got a 5 on BC Calculus, however my course of study did not include inductive proofs, so Caltech felt that I needed to take Calculus 1 again. (They had a placement test, and that was the only thing I had never seen beforeā¦)
So, if a particular school recommends you take the course, even though you have a 5 on the relevant AP test, it may be because their course covers something the AP test did not.
Caltechās ācalculusā course is proof-based, and has āregularā calculus (i.e. a typical college calculus or high school AP calculus course) as a prerequisite.
Yes, but some posters seem to be saying that students should always repeat their AP credit even if the college give advanced placement for the AP score.
UCB (engineering), UCD, UCM, UCR give no subject credit for physics C E&M, even though they may give subject credit for physics C mechanics. MIT and UCB (chemistry) allow high enough scores on both physics C tests to get subject credit for the first physics course with mechanics, but no subject credit for the physics course with E&M.
Yep exactly. That is my daughterās experience too in her LAC. But she does not mind to take extra dance class for art, or extra intro English -waste of time, but it is not a deal braker.
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