<p>I am hoping that I can go to either Cornell or Duke for college and I was wondering if anyone knows how many kids from either of those colleges goes to a top med school. For example if I said that X% of kids from Duke go to a top 20 med school what would the X be? Does anyone know? Also please don't start telling me that getting into any med school is an accomplishment and what not because I realize this.</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>X = 100. Or 0.</p>
<p>X = whatever you want it to be.</p>
<p>Glad I could help!</p>
<p>ok, any serious/ helpful answers? I read somewhere that at Cornell 80% of students with a 3.8+ GPA got into a top 20 med school.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t that suggest that 80% of Cornell’s pre-med students have very high MCATs as well? I don’t know if they do or don’t.</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone keeps track. I know there are statistics floating around of what percent of kids go to any medschool from these schools but where they go I think isn’t public info. Really it all depends on how you work. A 3.8 from Cornell is equal to a 3.8 from state school. And the MCAT is the great equalizer. Its really what you do as an individual that gets you into any medschool or whatever medschool you are aiming at.</p>
<p>I have the impression that, each year there are about 10-12 kids from Yale college who get into the very top medical schools (HMS and comparable ones.) But do not quote me on this because I forgot from which source I learned about this.</p>
<p>I think stats is a necessary condition rather than a sufficient condition for getting into these very top medical schools. Actually, I think stats like 3.8 GPA (heck, even a GPA close to 4.0) is a very very insignificant factor as a stats like this is not “rare” enough. A lower stats could break it, but a high stats alone will never help you get into these kinds of medical schools, IMO. (But a major award like Rhode Scholar, etc., will.)</p>
<p>I know a 3.9+ (and a very high MCAT) kid who applied last year from an ivy who got into a single medical school, his in-state public medical school (in California though. A public medical school there = a high caliber private medical school elsewhere, in term of the difficulty of getting an acceptance.) He had 3 years of research experiences with no publication.</p>
<p>What I was alluding to was the fact that there is no reputable study with which to answer you question. No one keeps track of things like this and there is no way to prove that any college gives kids an edge into medical school (aside of Princeton…). It is always possible to argue that a students GPA, or MCAT, or stellar essays gained there acceptance. Unless medical schools across the nation step out and say, “We like kids from School X” no one can truly know. The acceptance of undergraduates from almost every undergraduate institution in the US, however, points to the fact that a school does not shape your chances - you do.</p>
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<p>This is true but this is also an old statistic. Back when I was applying to med school, this is indeed what was printed on the guide all premeds received. I don’t know if that still holds true. But, you can imagine that most of the students who get a 3.8 at Cornell would also get a 35+ on the MCAT. With a 3.8/35 from Cornell, your chances are good you’ll get into a top 20 school.</p>
<p>^That’s the point that needed to be made. Top schools no doubt great rates of their students getting into top schools, but that’s going to primarily be due to the caliber of the student body. When your pre-med student body averages 33+, chances are a lot of them are going to end up at top schools. The failure in logic that so many high school students make is that they think that going to school X CAUSES them to have MCAT score Y. If anything, I would guess that acceptance to school X has a higher correlation to score Y than attendance… </p>
<p>If, for a given MCAT and GPA, top schools have a higher rate of top 20 admissions, it’s probably because they push you so hard to take time off if you aren’t a shoo in already.</p>
<p>*When your pre-med student body averages 33+, chances are a lot of them are going to end up at top schools. *</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Wouldn’t they have to have an average of higher than 33 in order for 80% to get into top 20 med schools?</p>
<p>Wouldn’t the average MCAT need to be at least 36+ or so for that to happen?</p>
<p>^The 80% acceptance rate only applies to Cornell premeds with 3.8+ GPA. The average MCAT of Cornell premeds with over 3.8 GPA is a lot higher than 33. 32-33 is probably closer to what ALL Cornell premeds average.</p>
<p>Ahhhh…thanks for the clarification. that makes sense.</p>
<p>I wonder what the avg MCAT is for the 3.8+ GPA student from any “good school”?</p>
<p>Back in my day, Duke sent about 45 kids a year to top-ten medical schools. That was out of roughly 300 applicants, if memory serves, so about 15%. (Compare to UC Berkeley’s 10 a year in a much larger pool.) I’d be startled if Yale was only 12, although I suppose they could just be referring to Harvard Med and Hopkins Med.</p>
<p>BDM, If my memory serves me well (this is a big if), I remember I read it somewhere (likely yaledailynews) a couple of years ago that roughly one student per residential college per year will end up in HMS or JHU. Since there are 12 residential college, I estimated there will be 12 per class. I think at that time, there were about 200 applicants per class year, including alumni. (For some reason, there were fewer applicants from Yale College, as compared to a school like Duke.)</p>
<p>From Yale College to YSM, I think there are about 19 who are admitted each year.</p>
<p>So you are right. If you refer to top-10 medical schools, there should be more.</p>
<p>Yale College is much more heavily recruited by Goldman, McKinsey, Bain, etc. So not surprising that they have fewer students going to medical school.</p>
<p>Hey, what do you know! I guessed correctly. =)</p>
<p>Yea so I are the following two statements correct (general, there will be exceptions)
<p>When I say top students also I mean all around (GPA, MCAT, Volunteering)</p>
<p>Also, would you say it’s true that Top Med schools get most of their students from top colleges? Because I had gotten that impression from reading some other forums.</p>
<p>Most of the students at top med schools came from top colleges.</p>
<p>I don’t think top colleges get most of their applicants into top med schools.</p>
<p>*Yea so I are the following two statements correct (general, there will be exceptions)
<p>RE…#2…</p>
<p>To approximate how many students that number is…</p>
<p>How many med school applicants would Cornell have in a year? </p>
<p>And, of that number, how many would have 3.8+ GPAs (are we assuming science and cum GPA)?</p>
<p>From that, we can estimate what that 80% number is…</p>
<p>I think the numbers being talked about are interesting. I think many who are looking to go to top undergrad schools are assuming that their diplomas are tix to top med schools.</p>
<p><<<(Compare to UC Berkeley’s 10 a year in a much larger pool.)>></p>
<p>In the mid-80s, 8 of us from CAL got into Harvard Medical school, with 4 of us declining the high tuition and frigid winters of Boston and heading to UCSF. Others, in my year, were headed to UCLA, Case Western, Wash U., UCSD, USC, Yale, Hopkins, Tufts, NYU, Cornell, Columbia, Baylor, Albert Einstein, Penn, and the list goes on and on, all top-notch medical schools. Oh, yes, a few of us were disloyal enough to go to Stanford. The foregoing numbers about 28-30 UCB grads, all of whom were in the same Stanley Kaplan course, so far more than the 10 cited above.</p>
<p>Also, this “top” medical school is such a bunch of hooey. It depends what you have the prescience to know you want to go into. If you want to go into Ophthalmology or Interventional Radiology (two of the most coveted residencies in the country, with the lowest match rates), then graduate AOA honors and don’t be one of 35 residency applicants applying from Harvard, be one of 2 or 3 applicants applying from Univ. of Vermont or Iowa or Illinois (provided you are AOA (essentially, Phi Beta Kappa for medical school) and have done some important research and have some glowing letters of rec; a little charm does not hurt). If trauma surgery or orthopedics is your thing, then head to USC (there is no better prep than rotating through L.A. county hospital–largest teaching hospital in the world with pathology and trauma galore–a lot of gang-related and auto stuff) not Stanford, where the clinical medicine is sorely lacking, and the respective residency programs know as much. If you want to do Family Medicine–increasingly popular–know that Hopkins or Univ. of Chicago is not going to launch you as much as Univ. of Washington or Oregon Health and Sciences Univ. or UNC at Chapel Hill.</p>
<p>I did my residency at Hopkins, and my residency peers were from Harvard (me) and Case Western and George Washington Univ. (not high on any medical school rankings’ list) and UVA, etc. What we all had in common, however, was that we were all AOA, published authors on papers, great recs. high grades, and, again, some of us were charming.</p>
<p>Mostly, ask yourself the question, will you still love medicine/surgery as reimbursements continue to dwindle, you are paying off 200k in medical school debt (if you are indeed doing it without parental subsidy) and societal respect erodes (really, the public thinks that we should work for free).</p>
<p>We sourced the numbers here, although Berkeley’s premed advising office definitely doesn’t keep very good statistics and there’s some underreporting involved:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3552059-post44.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3552059-post44.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3552101-post45.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3552101-post45.html</a></p>