<p>i was down in Case Western the other day, and they said that around 50% students get in while around 65% of Case students get in. I've only recently gained an interest in pre-med, and these numbers sound awfully high. thanks.</p>
<p>That number is right. The number will vary by a couple percentage points each year but it will be around half.</p>
<p>ok yeah, i looked around and it is like that. gosh, it must really suck for the other 50% of med students. if you do not get into med school on your first try, are you able to try again? is getting into any med school after undergrad considered to be a high achievement? i'm planning to major in management, and usually people get considerably higher GPAs in this field when compared to engineers or science majors, so isn't this blatant advantage a bit unfair?</p>
<p>The 50% doesn't factor in the attrition rate. Cornell's acceptance rate is approx. 75-80%. But that doesn't factor in the fact that 1000 students start out premed but only 230 of them end up applying as seniors.</p>
<p>exactly as what noracalguy said...50% is not accurate...too many premeds start off thinking they want to go premed..but halfway they realize they have no chance so they do something else</p>
<p>The number's probably dropping. I believe it's already at 40%, and the number of students taking the MCAT is increasing.</p>
<p>You can indeed apply again, but unless something significant has changed, you're (obviously) likely to get the same result.</p>
<p>See thread (use the search function or Google): "What should a premed major in".</p>
<p>If you want to be a doctor, there's always a way. While you may not get in right out of college, there are other options. The first thing to do would be to ask and see why you got rejected. If you applied too late, you should apply earlier next year. If your MCAT is too low, you should retake it. If your GPA is too low, then you should take some postbac classes to boost it. If you don't have the right EC involvements, then you should reconsider if you really want to be a doctor and why; and if you realize that you do, you should do as much as possible to prove that to them over the year. </p>
<p>Then, there's always the option of 2 year medschools in the carribeans and such that later automatically transfer you to an accredited medschool in the states afterwards. </p>
<p>The biggest problem is people who aren't willing to wait to get into medical school...who decide when they get rejected the first year they apply that it's not for them. In my opinion, THIS is "weeding out" the premedders. If you want to be a doctor, you must be willing to sacrifice extra years of your time ontop of the already anticipated years of medial school and you residency.</p>
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Find me such a school and confirm that there's a US school which will actually accept them.</p>
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The biggest problem is people who can't stand the thought of having to take on another very rewarding career, either in the health professions or outside, because this is what they've been set on and they won't demonstrate the flexibility to recognize when a door has been closed.</p>
<p>Look, if 40% of students are getting into medical school, it's not as if a whole ton of spots are reserved for students who reapply. In fact, the very first thing any school will ask you for is whether you've applied to them in the past -- that should tell you something about how favorably inclined they are to deal with your app.</p>
<p>If you don't get in the first time, then you either need to change something dramatically -- including where you're applying, like including DO programs -- for a second application, or there's no shame in finding another career. There's no shame in an NP or a PA unless you place it there yourself.</p>
<p>I really want to emphasize Anonymous99's first paragraph. like REALLY emphasize it. </p>
<p>Reapplying is probably one of the biggest differences in opinion between BDM and myself. I'm not really sure why his views are much more negative about it than mine, but they are. Maybe personal experience...I have 8 pretty close friends who were initially rejected on their first application and then admitted on the second try, all to schools they had applied to the previous try. I also have one friend who didn't get in until his 3rd try. But like Anon said, you have to improve your application in between. You can't just let it remain the same. Everyone has weaknesses in their application, and there are always things that can be done better.</p>
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<p>This is the key. If you can make dramatic improvements before your reapplication -- and the most important one is to broaden the scope of your applications -- then by all means, I'll have no complaints.</p>
<p>I've also seen colleges that quote high medical school admission rates, but they use the terms "80% within TWO years of graduating" which means that not everyone is accepted the first go around.</p>
<p>That usually means actually that they've deferred their application, not that they've had to try multiple times.</p>
<p>BDM, I haven't ever actually done any research on 2 year offshore medschools, but a quick google search did turn this up:</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>While it isn't a 2 year medschool, they do claim that you can get a residency in the US...."It should be noted that there are approximately 23, 000 first year residency position and only 16,500 US medical school graduates. Therefore, there are surplus of residency positions that are open to graduates of international medical schools."</p>
<p>However, right now, I don't have the time to call residency programs to see if any of them actually accept this medschool or not. </p>
<p>I also found this blog: <a href="http://wordpress.com/tag/transfer-from-caribbean-medical-school/%5B/url%5D">http://wordpress.com/tag/transfer-from-caribbean-medical-school/</a></p>
<p>Some guy seems to detail his process of trying to transfer out of his 2 year offshore into a US place.</p>
<p>BDM said,</p>
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<p>Yes, I agree completely. However, who are we to judge if these applications are looked upon favorably? For all we know, medschools wish to see people with this kind of dedication of reapplying after a rejection. Furthermore, they have something to compare your new accomplishments with (your previous app). In addition, they are able to see your dedication if you reapply. While I'm not sure if there is a breakdown on the 40% that get in, I think it would be interesting to see how much of that is reapps, and what % of those reapps get in.</p>
<p>Statistics do lie. It depends how you calculate it. Do you count people who declare themselves to be pre-med in their first or second year. Then it would be much lower. If you count only people who applying to med. school, the numbers may be better because those people with low grades may have been discouraged to apply by their pre-med advisors or by others.</p>
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Quite true. I have heard of schools with nearly 100% success rates because the premed committee or something similar at the university only allowed certain students to apply. I'm not sure on the details, but my point is that you're right. When looking for a good undergrad for being premed, don't look just at the admission statistic, which can be misleading; think about the strength of the advising program, the clinical volunteering opportunities, the courses, the professors, student life... all very important.</p>