<p>What textbooks does Cornell use for Phys2214: Oscillations, Waves, and Quantum Physics?</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>I think it’s Sears and Zemansky’s University Physics, Are you an incoming freshman and are you planning on placing out of phys 1112 and phys 2213?</p>
<p>I think I can already place out of phys 1112, and phys 2213 with ap’s. I’m trying to place out of physics III too since I’ve been self studying and hopefully take advanced EM.</p>
<p>I can place out of both too but I’m choosing only 1112 because my classes weren’t thorough on Electromagnetism and I am an ECE major</p>
<p>Oh. Would it be possible to skip phys 2214 as well if you already know it? Would it be able to talk to your advisor or the instructor about it and take a final for the course?
And as for math, can you skip multi, linear and diff and take analysis?
thanks.</p>
<p>You can skip 1112 with a 4/5 on AP mechanics or 5 on Physics B. Skipping 2113 requires a 5 on the AP e/m exam. If you weren’t able to take these exams there is a CASE (Cornell Advanced Standing Exam) for both 1112 and 2213; however, if you took the AP exam for physics you can’t take the CASE for physics. The physics department is the only one to do this. On the other hand, suppose you got a 4 on AP Chem but you want to skip 1st semester of gen chem (for which you need a 5), you can still take the chem CASE.</p>
<p>You can skip calc II with a 4/5 on BC. If you have AB credit or a 3 on BC, you can take the CASE exam to skip calc II. There is also a CASE exam for multi (1920).</p>
<p>There is no CASE for physics 2214, linear, or DE. The only way you can get out of those is if you have transfer credit from a reputable institution, in which you took the course let’s say over some summer. You can try talking to your adviser or the professor but they probably would tell you that there is a lot more material in Cornell’s version of the course. In other words you have to take these courses. </p>
<p>That being said a lot of courses have pre-reqs, but they are not strictly enforced. So in theory you could sign up for analysis next semester in conjunction with either linear or DE, even though it says multi / linear are pre-reqs for analysis. If your adviser questions you, you can tell them you feel confident in your abilities and if it feels like it’s too much you’ll drop the class within the first two weeks (there’s like 4-5 weeks with no drop penalty). If your adviser is a chill person he or she probably would let it slide and give you a brief warning. I got lucky with a chill adviser, I can’t say the same about every adviser, but your choice of words and how you handle it could make a big difference.</p>
<p>Sorry for the double post, but I can’t edit my post anymore. Regarding,
“I can place out of both too but I’m choosing only 1112 because my classes weren’t thorough on Electromagnetism and I am an ECE major”</p>
<p>I suggest you still place out of EM 2213 if you scored a 5, because there is a ECE distribution requirement that pretty much covers / goes over the major EM stuff you might need for the future.</p>
<p>We can’t ask the professor to take the final exams or anything so that we could simply skip linear/diff without having to take them to fulfill pre-req’s?
Does the same thing apply with physics. I can take phys 2214 and advanced EM. Or if there’s any way I can ask the professor to just take the final to skip that pre-req?</p>
<p>Would you advise to take theoretical linear algebra and calculus, or just linear algebra if I already know multi, linear, and diff? I’m intending on majoring in math and physics btw. I thought it’d be be better to skip these three classes and take real math classes like analysis, topology, etc. </p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>What do you mean by advanced EM? Do you mean Physics 2217? (honors e/m?) You can take that as long as you have multi credit (or are taking multi concurrently with the course).</p>
<p>More info: [PHYS2217-*Physics</a> II: Electricity and Magnetism - Acalog ACMS?](<a href=“PHYS 2217 - Physics II: Electricity and Magnetism - Acalog ACMS™”>PHYS 2217 - Physics II: Electricity and Magnetism - Acalog ACMS™)</p>
<p>The professor usually isn’t in control of these things, it’s a departmental policy. Cornell departments are very clear for what courses they have placement exams and which ones they don’t. As far as I know there are no placement exams for linear, DE, or physics 2214. However, if your main objective in getting credit for these courses is to take harder courses, what I am saying you can work around pre-reqs most of the time anyway. However, to graduate you would probably need linear / DE credit. So this is a temporary by-pass, you should still take these courses in conjunction with advanced ones. </p>
<p>Yes you can take Physics 2214 and 2217 at the same time (assuming there is no overlap in your schedule with the timings). This might be a possibility. Sometimes all the classes you want to take end up having clashing times and you can only take some. It will be difficult taking two physics courses (especially 2217, an honors course is a lot of work), on top of that possible 1/2 math courses might be too much. So be prepared to drop one if the timings work for you.</p>
<p>I mean phys3310. I’ve already self studied physics C junior year, using kleppner and purcell, I’ll probably just brush up on it before college. And I used griffiths to study advanced EM this year, which is the same book they use, but I still want to take the course, since it’s not an introductory level physics course, and it’d be nice to have a more solid grounding on it. I thought that pre-enrollment doesn’t allow you to sign up for courses unless you have the pre-req’s necessary for it?</p>
<p>Would you advise to take theoretical linear algebra and calculus, or just linear algebra if I already know multi, linear, and diff? I’m intending on majoring in math and physics btw. I thought it’d be be better to skip these three classes and take real math classes like analysis, topology, etc. </p>
<p>thnx a lot.</p>
<p>No student center won’t stop you if you don’t meet a pre-req, your adviser might when he/she discusses your semester schedule. The only time it might be an issue if you need explicit permission from an instructor to enroll. It says physics 3310 is only offered in the spring anyways, so you can’t take it next semester.</p>
<p>[PHYS 3310 - Intermediate</a> Experimental Physics - Acalog ACMS?](<a href=“PHYS 3310 - Intermediate Experimental Physics - Acalog ACMS™”>PHYS 3310 - Intermediate Experimental Physics - Acalog ACMS™)</p>
<p>You may know multi, linear, and diff from high school courses or self-studying; however, it might be somewhat a superficial understanding, so at times taking the course might give you a deeper understanding. That being said I would take the multi credit if you pass the CASE exam.</p>
<p>I’m in engineering so I’m not familiar with the CAS math sequence for multi-linear-DE. </p>
<p>Are you more interested in theoretical physics / math or applied physics / math? If it is applied then you might be better off in engineering doing something like AEP. To keep the transfer option open you might want to take the engineering math introductory sequence.</p>
<p>see page 2: <a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/sites/default/files/imported/Courses/FSM/fsm2013.pdf[/url]”>http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/sites/default/files/imported/Courses/FSM/fsm2013.pdf</a></p>
<p>If you’re not sure and are considered switching to engineering I would (pass CASE exam for 1920 credit)
1st semester: Math 2940 or Math 2930
2nd semester: Math 2930 or Math 2940
3rd semester: Honors analysis I (+any other course in math you want)
4th semester: Honors analysis II (+any other course in math you want)</p>
<p>If you’re 100% positive you want to stay in CAS and love theory:
1st semester: Math 2230
2nd semester: Math 2240
3rd semester; Honors analysis I (+prob a DE course to prepare you for analysis II)
4th semester; Honors analysis II (+any other course in math you want)</p>
<p>Oh I meant phys 3327 sorry. So, I could still sign up for it in pre-enrollment? I thought I read somewhere that they won’t let you pre-enroll you for the course if you don’t meet the pre-reqs. Would the advisor make you take a final or something to prove you can handle your schedule?</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m going to review multi/linear/diff over the summer, but courses like diff is really mostly applying formulas, and understanding how they’re derived, there’s not really anything hard to understand it in comparison to topics like analysis imo. </p>
<p>I’m interested in theoretical physics and pure math btw. So basically, I still have to take the pre-req but I can take it concurrently with a more advanced class?
I was thinking of taking math 2230 and honors analysis I with it in that case. </p>
<p>I at first thought of doing EP btw, so I’m in ENG. I looked at the courses, and over the course of senior year, decided I’d be interested in more theoretical topics, so I’m planning on transferring to CAS in the spring. </p>
<p>And also one more thing, a bit off-topic. So basically, spring senior year, there was a bit of a misunderstanding and I failed senior english. I have to take summer school, and the final transcript is going to arrive late to Cornell. My other classes are fine, like 99 and 98 in diff and physics, would I still be rescinded?</p>
<p>Yes, you will be able to sign up for 3327 on student center. I checked only 27/43 capped people are enrolled, so there is room for you. The pre-reqs are really strong though, the 2217-2218 sequence or instructor permission. The 2217-2218 sequence is honors e/m followed by honors wave, which are both difficult classes. Instructor permission probably comes in if you took 2213-2214 (non honors version) and did well in the classes, then in most cases the instructor would grant you permission. Typically I said advisors let you play around with pre-reqs, but this seems like something most won’t allow you to pass. This is a very high leveled course for your first semester. The only way you can get an advisor to agree is if you get the instructor to agree. I doubt it will “work out”, but you can try emailing the instructor and telling him/her your deep interest and desire to take the class and how you’ll take waves with it (while you skip from 2213). </p>
<p>DE probably seems like that if you’re looking at it from an applied perspective, but it’s more than that. However, an introductory DE course isn’t that hard, future ones will be. Honors analysis also requires multi / linear as pre-req. Though for some reason I feel you’ll be more likely to get away with taking analysis instead of the physics course. Don’t bother emailing about the analysis course. You can take the CASE for multi and take linear with analysis to give you more credibility on the pre-req issue. </p>
<p>I can’t comment on the rescind, failing a course is troublesome and doesn’t look too well. If you explain to Cornell how/why it happened and how you plan to work hard, then they probably won’t rescind you. Perhaps they will put you on academic probation. It also would weaken your case to skip pre-reqs. I would contact the admission office about the failing class and how your other classes related to your interests went well.</p>
<p>In your case I would take cornell case 1920 exam to get multi credit. Then take math 2940 (not math 2230), physics 2214 (or 2218), a writing seminar, analysis, and one more class (if analysis is too hard and you need to drop or they won’t let you take it).</p>
<p>Alright thanks a lot.
Do you know what textbooks they use for 2218 btw.
And would the instructor have me take an exam or anything to show I know 2217-2218?
Shouldn’t I take math 2230 since I’m intending on doing pure math? And I’m going to transfer to CAS in the spring. </p>
<p>So basically, even though I can take more advanced classes, I still have to take the pre-reqs even though I can take both at the same time?</p>
<p>I haven’t a clue what textbook they use. Any good text in physics should suffice if you want to brush up. The official list probably goes up 1-2 weeks before classes start. The instructor probably doesn’t have time to give you an exam to test your proficiency. They probably wouldn’t test you if they allow you to take it, if you aren’t truly ready that would reflect in your performance in the class. I would advise not to overload yourself too much your first semester. It’s better to start small than rush ahead into the unknown. Courses in college are much more demanding (especially honors). I wouldn’t try to take physics 3327 now. You can still do pure math with 2940, but if you want to do engineering later on 2230 won’t suffice. I suggest taking 2940 to keep your options open. Peoples interest change often in college, especially in the first two years.</p>
<p>Yes you need to eventually take the pre-reqs, that is why I suggest taking them concurrently with the harder class. If you’re taking 2218 it might be a bit too much along with honors analysis, but you can try if you want. Be prepared to drop one or the other, so perhaps sign up for 5 classes, so if you have to drop 1 it isn’t a big deal.</p>
<p>Even after I pre-enroll in the classes, I’d have to go over the schedule with my advisor? </p>
<p>I’ve heard from other people in cornell that told me that they had some other math placement test at orientation that tested on multi, diff, linear, stochastic processes. I don’t know if it’s actually true.</p>
<p>I haven’t heard of that. All I know is that they have tests for calc II and III. Yes if you’re a first year you do go over your schedule with your advisor. They might let it slide or they might not, this depends on them.</p>
<p>alright. Just curious about this too.
The same way, it’s recommended I just take math 2230/2240 even though I took multi already since it’s presented in a more rigorous standpoint in this course, should I take phys 1116/2217, or just skip to 2218? I don’t know if they would let me take 3327/3318 later on, if I hadn’t taken the honors version of these classes, since like you said before, I have to take the pre-req’s one way or another.</p>
<p>Just one last thing:
Or if I could just take math 4330 instead of 2230/2240 and skip the lower-level math classes altogether.
[Upper-Level</a> Courses for Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors | <a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu%5B/url%5D”>www.math.cornell.edu](<a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/Courses/Catalog/upperlevel#4740]Upper-Level”>http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/Courses/Catalog/upperlevel#4740)</a>
[Lower-Level</a> Courses for Freshmen and Sophomores | <a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu%5B/url%5D”>www.math.cornell.edu](<a href=“http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/Courses/Catalog/lowerlevel]Lower-Level”>http://www.math.cornell.edu/m/Courses/Catalog/lowerlevel)</a></p>
<p>srry for double post.</p>
<p>You need to take certain classes in order to meet requirements for a particular major. These “low level math classes” are requirements. It’s up to you whether or not you take the regular or honors version, but you need to take one or the other. You can by-pass this if you have transfer credit from a reputable university. If you don’t have transfer credit, then you must take one version of the class. Cornell offers placement credit through exams for some courses (like calc II/III), but there is no placement exam for linear algebra or differential equations. </p>
<p>I don’t know why you have so much disdain for these classes. You’ll be already so much ahead of the canonical freshman with your physics / math experience. Also, I’m willing to bet you’d take out a lot more from taking multi/linear/DE at Cornell. Contrary to what you may feel, high school courses don’t measure up to courses at Cornell. I also took some DE in high school, and then at Cornell. Sure it was easier for me at Cornell after taking it in high school, but there was a lot more I learned in Cornell like Fourier series, a very important topic that most high school DE classes don’t even cover. It’s fine if you self studied these on your own through watching videos or reading textbooks, but you can still benefit from taking the class. Since you already have some exposure you’ll probably get more out of the class. </p>
<p>There’s a time when certain pre-reqs are annoying and it’s okay to ignore them (like the multi pre-req for regular e/m), but in these cases like Math 4330 the pre-req makes sense. If you take Math 4330 with a superficial understanding of linear algebra, you will surely perform very badly in the class. You can be a very smart person for all I know, but taking math 4330, honors analysis, honors waves, and advanced e/m in one semester will result in a very stressful semester for you, your GPA will suffer, and you probably won’t get much out of it.</p>