<p>A2Wolves, Michigan has had its current policy regarding in-state and out-of-state percentages for quite a while now. If you thought it was unfair to in-staters, you didn't have to apply. I imagine you knew what you were getting yourself into when you applied (because you applied so early), and that means you know that if you're not a great applicant, you won't get accepted, simple as that. Also, you're getting discriminated against because that's the job of adcoms. They discriminate the apps worthy of admission from those that aren't. Also, if Michigan was a "school full of jocks" I don't think any of us would be on this board. Surely you're not stooping to the level of "dumb athletes and minorities took my place". My guess is that you, being interested in sports management, wouldn't even want to come to the U if there weren't so many "jocks and minorities". Also A2Wolves, did it ever strike you that the out-of-staters ARE the most qualified students on the waitlist? They always will be, they're just being accepted this year. I'm sorry your ego takes a hit when people tell you they got in without your academic caliber (which may or may not be their actual opinion), but life's full of disappointments. Suck it up, and if you're better, it won't happen again.</p>
<p>The picture you are painting is a system in which after May 1, everything goes back to square one and you should be evaluated all over again, in a separate pool of waitlisted applicants, with no regard for residency, the school you applied to, or enrollment goals. </p>
<p>It doesn't work that way, and I'm sorry. </p>
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What ever happened to giving preference to the students who WANT to go there? The ones that applied early, who have their family as alumni, who's parents have donated and worked for the U, who's cousins attend there? Is that not important anymore, it's all about getting those percentages up so they can attract even more ivy-league rejects?
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<p>The really painful reality is that the U may give some preference to all the factors you mention, and still end up with legacy, this-is-my-first-choice, my-parents-gave-money, early-in-fall applicants who just don't make the cut. My husband would be a prime example. Just because you didn't get in doesn't meant those things were not considered.</p>
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The duty of a public school is to serve the students of the state. That's not what Michigan is doing by taking all out-of-state students to fill percentages.
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<p>No. Michigan is going to fulfill its enrollment goals for residents. It will meet that goal--and if regular admits end up being not enough, it will go to the waitlist to meet it.</p>
<p>I know for a fact that it is substantially easier to get into michigan in state than out of state. Most of the people that get into michigan out of state have higher test scores, the reason why Umich average SAT is lower than many top schools is because of the in state students they accept. The previous posters are correct when they say that umich reserves many more spots for instate students(as it should be) and not as many for out of state students. As an instate student you should feel happy that you at least have a chance to attend a top of the line university at a very low cost. Remember, out of state students have to pay 40K per year with hardly any financial aid. In this sense, the process really isnt fair to out of state students earlier. </p>
<p>Now am I saying that you were treated fairly? No. I really don't know your entire situation with your application so I can't make a fair judgement; but I do know that you applied early(like you were told) and still havent heard a concrete decision. I think the fact that the school makes people send in a deposit elsewhere before informing them of a final decision is not the best policy in the world. In that sense, I feel that you were treated unfairly. </p>
<p>The minority thing at Umich will never go away. The school obviously prides itself in having diversity and there really is nothing any of us can do about it. Thats just how this whole process works.</p>
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I think the fact that the school makes people send in a deposit elsewhere before informing them of a final decision is not the best policy in the world.
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<p>Just to be clear--Michigan's waitlist is no different from the waitlist model practiced by other schools. It tells some students "We can't admit you. You'll have to make other plans. However, we could put you on the waitlist if you'd like, and notify you if an opening becomes available." It's up to the student to say whether they want to be on the waitlist or not. </p>
<p>Some students do say no to the waitlist. They don't want to keep wondering, or they're not that interested in attending, or whatever. Or they think waitlists are a bad system and a bad idea, like you do. And that's fine--some people do feel that way. But whether they do or not, the course of action is the same: make other plans, send in a deposit to a school that did accept you, plan to attend there. </p>
<p>This is not a policy or a system that is unique to the University of Michigan, or even to selective schools</p>
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If you thought it was unfair to in-staters, you didn't have to apply.
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Oh yeah, now it's becoming a "you didn't have to apply" situation. Please. Like i'm not going to apply to the school that i've worked my entire life to get into.</p>
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Also, if Michigan was a "school full of jocks" I don't think any of us would be on this board.
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I NEVER said that. I said that I applied to a jock school, which I did, Kinesiology houses nearly all the athletes. Try thinking next time.</p>
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My guess is that you, being interested in sports management, wouldn't even want to come to the U if there weren't so many "jocks and minorities".
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Now you're telling me what I want in a university. Keep your incorrect predictions coming swami.</p>
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Also A2Wolves, did it ever strike you that the out-of-staters ARE the most qualified students on the waitlist?
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Not when I see the resume's and statistics of the students on this website getting in, knowing I had a stronger or equal application than many of them.</p>
<p>People like you are the reason alums aren't happy with this university, and the university loses donations. The out-of-state math nerd who didn't get into their ivy-league caliber school takes the place of the in-stater whose dream has been to go to the school.</p>
<p>A2Wolves, how do you know that your application was "stronger or equal" than those of others who were admitted from the WL? You can't know what your own recommendations said, nor what the other applicants' recs said. You cannot know how know how your essays stacked up against the others that were submitted. You do not know what courses they have all taken, and you likely do not know how their schools are regarded by admissions.</p>
<p>There are many unknowns. I think it's wonderful that you have a lot of self-confidence, and that your high school classmates think very highly of you. You got into some good schools, so clearly you're no slouch. But it's not credible to me that you could claim to know how your own application, with all its many factors to be considered, had to have been better than those of the nonresident students admitted off the waitlist.</p>
<p>I think you need to also consider that CC is skewed towards people aiming for highly selective universities. For that reason, you may hear many nonresidents talk about Michigan as a back-up school they'd only attend if rejected from ivy-calibre schools. However, I do not believe that is the true profile of the typical out-of-state applicant. Some of them are as eager to attend U-M as you were. I am not sure they deserve your "Ivy-league reject" schtick.</p>
<p>A2Wolves6: "The out-of-state math nerd who didn't get into their ivy-league caliber school takes the place of the in-stater whose dream has been to go to the school."</p>
<p>Not every in-stater's original dream is to come to Michigan, and the same is obviously true for out-of-staters. However, once the ones that do end up at Michigan get to campus, many of these same people come to love the school and what it has to offer. They would stay loyal to their school and defend it valiently if "attacked." Whatever the situation was in high school probably is not the same situation a year or two into college. I don't think you're being fair to chibears. In my opinion, if he's happy at Michigan, he deserves to be here.</p>
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I said that I applied to a jock school, which I did, Kinesiology houses nearly all the athletes.
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Yeah, as you know, S. made the same mistake by going for Kines. and competing with the recruits for a spot. You-guys might have been wearing those attractive scrubs by now if you had applied to the School of Nursing. They need male applicants! ;) Oh well, hindsight is 20-20.</p>
<p>OMG! I've been reading these posts and they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. So if you guys want to continue arguing, please create a new thread and argue there. </p>
<p>Yeah...I've been waitlisted, I'm in-state and my sis is an alum. Life isn't fair, and if you don't realize that now, then you will be in for a rude awakening when you get out into the real world. What I've learned from this is that things don't go the way you want it to, and you have to find other ways of achieving your goals. Everything happens for a reason, and if you don't get in, then later on you will realize why you didn't get in. No matter where you go, you will still have the same goals in mind, and you will achieve them as long as you are dedicated. For example, I want to go pre-med, in the end I will be a doctor, whether I went to U-M undergrad or MSU undergrad. The college doesn't make the occupation....your dedication, time and effort does.</p>
<p>In the end, if you don't get in, this experience will make you stronger as a person. (Or so my former Bio II teacher has told me after I found out I was waitlisted.)</p>
<p>So...to quote the Rolling Stones for you guys...."You can't always get what you want; you get what you need."</p>
<p><strong>I'm so sick of reading posts complaining about the waitlist. I know how you feel because I'm going through it, but you can't spend your time being bitter about it, or else you'll never achieve anything with that kind of attitude. I was bitter about the possibility of going to MSU, but I realized by talking to my friends, how lucky I am that I'm going there because they can't afford to go there</strong></p>
<p>and they lived happily ever after</p>
<p>To answer your original question (which you may have an answer to already) about the Dearborn/Flint letters...they have openings at those campuses that they'd like to fill and are offering that as an option. Since you've already paid an app fee once, they're waiving that for apps to their satellite campuses. Remaining on the waitlist for Ann Arbor is your choice, but appears to be a separate issue. I'm assuming if someone was admitted to a satellite and deposited (like you did w/MSU), they still would be eligible to accept a spot off the A2 waitlist if it was offered.</p>
<p>Thank you. I know how you guys feel, but I know that if I don't get off the waiting list, I will accept my rejection gracefully. All of this is out of my hands, and if I don't get in, then I will be content with it, because I have done everything I possibly could to get in. You guys should at least be thankful that you got this far in the game, because there are people who got rejected early on. I know I did everything I could and I'm thankful that I was actually considered, and I have no regrets whatsoever. </p>
<p>So my point is, if you honestly believe that you did everything you could to get in (you studied hard for the ACTs/SAT's, worked hard to get the best grades you could get, etc.) and you don't get off the list, don't be bitter or discouraged. Take the rejection with honor and kick butt at another school. If you didn't, you have no one to blame your rejection on, except yourself.</p>
<p>I have come to realize this, while talking to my former Bio II teacher, who has helped me every bit of the way during the application process, so I don't want to take all the credit for this. :)</p>
<p>(I was going to put this in my original post as an edit, but my internet got cut off.)</p>