What to Do If I Want to Become a Movie Director

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<p>Econ’s really not that much better than film. If you want the highest immediate return on your college investment go to Virginia Tech (assuming you live in Virginia) and pursue an engineering degree - and do well. Also, you can minor in cinema production at VT, while majoring in engineering.</p>

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<p>Problem solving and management skills learned in most all engineering disciplines can be applied to almost any field or industry - including film production.</p>

<p>OP, you are seeking advice from anonymous posters; how can you tell which advice is useful and which is not?</p>

<p>You are sure you want to be a film director: what does that mean? 1. Making tiny short films? 2. An indie feature 3. a studio picture? 4. Or making your living as a film director? These all means very different things. </p>

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<li><p>Anyone can make a short. They are cheap and fun. You can make them on weekends. If you are broke, use Kickstarter for capital, not difficult.</p></li>
<li><p>Indie feature, much harder, exhausting, still a lot of fun. No money to speak of for you maybe a little to barely live on. You’re shooting a lot of pages a day, it’s all crazy but can be thrilling. You likely have to do all the post yourself, takes months, not as much fun. Let’s say the best happens, you enter and get into a lot of fests, you win some awards, you get some distribution. Maybe a bit of advance but nowadays that’s rare. But let’s say you’re an outlier, and you land a 1990s style Sundance distribution deal with 1-2 mil up front. Wow! Great! Now what? </p></li>
<li><p>Let’s say your first or second indie is a hit, gets you a real job, a studio picture, with a real budget. Now you’re shooting 1-3 pages a day, in complete comfort with a full crew, great craft service, dailies, veteran keys, the whole shot.</p></li>
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<p>Guess what? This can be a disappointment. You have studio execs on your back to make your day - if you fall behind sched three days in a row, you will likely be fired. You have to deal with power trips - the stars, the studio, the agencies all probably have more clout than you. You have to deal with tedium. Shooting big pictures is often like watching paint dry, it’s so slow. </p>

<p>Still thrilled with this? Now go make a living at it. Film directors, like actors, spend most of their time chasing the next gig not doing the work itself. Deals come and go. Unless you are shooting series television, when you get work, you are likely on location far away for the entire 6-10 wk shoot. This is fun the first few times. Sooner or later you start growing up, you may have friends, a partner, children. All back home, not where you are. When you are home you are not working. When you are working you are not home. Let’s say none of this matters, you really love the whole thing year after year. But the years won’t love you. The older you get after thirty, the harder it is. You know Kubrick, how about Billy Wilder? He could not find work for the last twenty five years of his life. I met the guy, I know. Meanwhile your costs live with you - mortgage, car, advisors, maybe your alimony, child support bills and your recreational chemicals. You are sweating it out, hoping for the next job. Film directing looks fun and glamorous. The truth is it’s sporadic, work for hire toil.</p>

<p>Still interested? Here’s a plan: somehow, get on a shoot just to do coffee or even nothing, just be permission to get on a major shoot and be there, day after day. Watch what the director does (and doesn’t do), day after day. You’re in some flyover state? Contact your state film commission, there may be a big feature set to be on location. If not, get on a commercial shoot - as big as possible. Commercials also have slo-mo production schedule, except they are days not weeks. You have to be able to deal with a lot of tedium and petty politics as a director. </p>

<p>If this experience still hasn’t put you off, you have two paths to directing - one through story and one through deal making. Story means learning a craft like acting, writing. Get good at one of these and you can jump to directing. You will learn a lot about directing by working with directors as an actor or writer. But these are risky ways to do it. Best way - learn editing. You can do this in college, in night school or on your own. Editing is storytelling with technical expertise and there is a whole lot more available work for editors than for actors or writers. Second route- deal making involves more traditional education - you need business chops, contract law, budgeting. In short, producing. A lot of producers have law degrees and/or MBAs. You have to be willing to work at the corporate level, producing is business (they don’t call this industry “show art”). </p>

<p>College can be great, rewarding. Grad school too. Bottom line for with, vis a vis, filmmaking, the degrees might be helpful years along , if you can to teach. But college per se, meh. Ever heard of DreamWorks? The three founders are not college grads. Spielberg, a college drop out, Geffen has a high school degree, Katzenberg dropped out of high school after sophomore year.</p>

<p>But what do I know? Is all of this fact or fable or a mix or the two? How can you tell?</p>

<p>You say that you’r dream is to become a film director, and we are trying to give you the best advice possible on making that dream a reality but your playing it too safe </p>

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<p>I’m not disagreeing with you, Agincourt. You make a great point that the OP should go to college because he wants to not because he feels he has to. I would just point out that Geffen, Spielberg and Katzenberg were all either in New York or L.A, by the time they were seventeen and Spielberg was still a student at CSU-Long Beach when he was discovered by Universal. The other two, Geffen and Katzenberg were both born in New York City and clearly took advantage of their surroundings, landing gopher jobs at places like CBS (Geffen) or for people like Barry Diller, all before they were 21. </p>

<p>What state is OP in?</p>

<p>@circuitrider‌ </p>

<p>Point well taken. They used their circumstances to make contacts and were well on their way in their careers whilst their peers were still in college hoping to apply for the gopher jobs G and K already had and (possibly) about to face the cold hard reality of paying off student loans.</p>

<p>OP wants it all his/her way - no move to film centers, no move out of state at all, college degree, minimize risk. If OP entered a college in LA or NY, might be able to make contacts and learn the biz while an undergrad (as Spielberg did)First though, this OP needs to really know what film directing is, rather than merely being in love with the Idea of it.
As circuitrider knows, I am quite sure, college film programs, even film schools, acting schools all have the same flaw - they teach the practice of the craft(s) but tend to skirt the realities of the lifestyles: constant financial insecurity, attendant pressures on relationships, health and career progress. OP can save a lot of money and time by observing these realities first hand before all else.</p>

<p>"…get on a shoot just to do coffee…"
And do that coffee really, really, really well. Seriously. </p>

<p>I have another suggestion that I haven’t really heard yet. </p>

<p>Rather than selecting a major that would serve as a backup begrudgingly (“well, I guess I’ll have to become an accountant, even though I dislike numbers”), really start thinking about a second job you would be * actually be happy with *. Imagine today that you met a genie, and he told you you’d never be a film director, ever. You’d have to give up that dream right now. Your life is wide open again. A blank canvas. Totally up for grabs. What’s another job, in another field, that you may not feel * as * passionately about, but you’d certainly be able to enjoy for the next forty years? Another fun hobby or interest of yours that could translate into a job. </p>

<p>I love screenwriting. I, too, would like to work in the film industry, and don’t intend on going to film school. But I also asked myself: what’s another field I would be interested in, that I could always pursue if things didn’t work out creatively (something I’d be perfectly content with)? For me, I’d say it would be something related to international affairs. I’m very fascinated/passionate about the religious/social issues in the middle east. I think any job related to that would be quite fun and fulfilling for me, even if film is my first choice. It’s easier to pursue filmmaking * and * a backup plan if you actually like the backup plan. I think most people can come up with at least two different jobs they would be happy with. </p>

<p>Just a suggestion. Good luck</p>

<p>This is to everyone in general (excluding Abcde11). </p>

<p>As I’ve said before, I am happy to move to LA to start my film career. I’m happy to serve coffee and sit around on sets and watch things happen. I realize that mediocrity is the price to pay for success as a director. I realize that I can’t be both an I-banker and a film director at the same time. I’m not going to go get a big-money job right out of college, but I will get a job related to film (even if it doesn’t pay well). I get that. </p>

<p>I just don’t see the need to get a degree with limited earning potential. Sure, econ might not top stuff, but I hate engineering and know for a fact I don’t want to do that after I graduate. Plus, I DO want to go to college. It’s not an obligation. </p>

<p>I’ll just sum it up here: film school is out of the question (due to financial circumstances, not because of my own ego–if I lived in CA, I would love to go to USC). But I know for a fact that I’m willing to do whatever it takes after college to succeed. I already plan on moving to LA, doing the tedious stuff on set, and just biding my time (writing my own stuff) until I succeed. </p>

<p>So, no. I don’t want to get a job in Econ right out of college. I’ll immediately dive into doing the dull stuff on set that no one else wants to do. I just want a good background, since there’s really no degree in college which will guarantee success as a filmmaker.</p>

<p>Excellent. You now have your future decided and your arrogance and argumentative personality are well suited to your chosen profession. Good luck to you.</p>

<p>Yes, how arrogant of me. Not wanting to waste my money on a joke major. </p>

<p>And yes, I’m argumentative. Wouldn’t you be too if you had made it clear that you CAN’T go to film school and someone kept saying, “You should totally go to film school! LOL! OMG!”? </p>

<p>OMG, LOL, you are so completely right! I forgot, you CAN’T. What was your plan, again? Economics? Awesome plan! Four years of undergrad economics is definitely the best way to go in preparation for your goal! Now, if you are planning to focus on directing comedies or musicals, definitely study Hayek and Schumpeter. “Austrian School Musical” - swag!! For thrillers and romances, genres where you definitely need a lot of stimulus, go with Keynes. Word has it, he did a lot of private research in bromances. Historical dramas, I am sure everyone here would recommend Ricardo and Owen, but if you have trouble with the endings of these histories, get a hold of Francis Fukuyama.</p>

<p>LOL, economics jokes! </p>

<p>OMG, you’re totes right! I mean, it’s not like I can just watch movies at home and look up critical analyses of them online, right? Totally need a professor for that! And don’t even get me started on directors’ commentaries. No way to get a hold of those unless you go to USC. It’s not like they’re on the Blu-ray itself. The Criterion collection? It’s buried away in an NYU vault. I mean, it’s not like there have ever been any directors who didn’t go to film school. And there’s no way to form connections without film school, am I right? I mean, I saw Paul Thomas Anderson the other day, and he wouldn’t even talk to me until I showed him my degree from Podunk University’s School of Cinema. Bars? Out of the question. You need a Film/Television or Theater degree to prosper! </p>

<p>Like I said, Economics degree. Might double that with English or even Film Studies if I feel like it (and have the money). Otherwise, heh…no.</p>

<p>Seriously, though. I know that I want to be in film, and I plan on working in film right after graduation (no Econ pit stops or part-time jobs)! But it doesn’t hurt to have a backup plan. Having a backup plan doesn’t mean you’re acknowledging that you’re not serious. It just means you’re smart enough to have something saved up in case something goes horribly wrong and you need a high-paying job. But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna quit just because I’m making pennies per hour. If that’s what it takes to become a director/screenwriter, I’m all aboard. I just don’t see harm in a contingency plan, and neither would any other sane individual.</p>

<p>And with all due respect, I wouldn’t be caught dead making a musical.</p>

<p>@KubricksGhost‌, I’d still like to know what state you’re from and why all the mystery about it? The conditions you’ve set down will only make sense in that context. Otherwise, they read like something out of a gothic novel. Of course, it’s going to be difficult to give good advice under those circumstances.</p>

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Finance. Pick Finance over Econ (if those are the only choices) for the reasons I stated upstream. It will look better to the MBA adcoms after being unemployed for two or three years.</p>

<p>Virginia. Yes, I know that VCU has a decent film school, but I’m still apprehensive about the whole endeavor. </p>

<p>The only problem with your plan is that working in a field that doesn’t involve your major pretty much invalidates your major for employment purposes. Say you majored in engineering and then you try to work in film for two, three, or five years. Why would anyone hire you as a starting engineer after five years? You’re stale, old hat, no experience and in competition with all the freshly minted engineering majors out there. Same with economics or any other technical major - by that I mean non-liberal arts like English, history, etc. At least if you pick a major somewhat tangentially related to film, you can spin that into a non-film related job, as you’ll have had experience writing, editing, producing or whatever.</p>

<p>I think you also discount too highly the contacts you can make in the film school world and think they are easily reproduced. They aren’t, any more than you can reproduce the contacts you could make had you gone to an Ivy, went to a certain HS, or joined a certain frat. Either you did those or you didn’t, and to come from outside always makes you an outsider. Not saying you should do film school, but don’t think you can reproduce the experience so easily. Same for learning about X, Y, or Z in film class and sitting around at an all-night BS session with fellow minded students vs. sitting alone and learning it by just watching and listening. Not the same thing at all. Learning the raw knowledge is one thing, transforming it into your own vision by interacting with others is quite another. More than any other art, film is a collaboration and I just don’t see you getting that on your own or understanding that you can’t do it on your own.</p>

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<p>That was actually very helpful. Half my family is from Virginia; I understand the whole reluctance to go OOS. The pressure to go to UVA immediately after h/s is going to be tremendous. Hey, you can only do what you can do. The only good thing is that that as an in-state resident you should (or, your family should) be better able to finance graduate school, because realistically that’s your only backup.</p>

<p>Agincourt is correct. If a life of toil and deprivation seem appealing, filmmaking may be for you. I went to a film school in NY, and Agincourt is right about what they teach. I learned a lot about the craft of filmmaking from my classes; I learned about the life of a filmmaker in casual conversations with my professors. Film (and broadcasting) are tough industries. If you’re a woman, it’s tougher still. (How many major film directors are women?) Careers in film and/or TV take commitment. There are no holidays. Networks run 24/7, and more and more are doing so with freelance daily hires (who get no benefits). If you hustle, you can find filmmakers looking for volunteers (so you can get experience), but if you have a full-time job it becomes difficult to take advantage of those opportunities. If you have a family, it’s even more difficult. You can’t turn down jobs if you want to work, but that means you have to have a spouse willing to take days off whenever one of your kids is too sick for school or daycare. It’s already tough enough for women to get ahead in the workplace; many of the young women I know are much less likely to let their career take a back seat to their spouse’s than the women of my generation were. </p>

<p>In NY, people who want to direct movies buy used equipment and make them. Filmmakers find volunteers in local theater companies and by posting on regional help wanted websites. They work full time to fund their projects and shoot nights and weekends. Projects, if and when they’re finished, can be entered in local film festivals. But it’s not an inexpensive proposition.</p>

<p>Not everyone who makes films majored in filmmaking, but it helps to have some courses in it. How do you expect to demonstrate interest and knowledge to a prospective employer without any courses or internships in the industry? If you can find a college that will let you have 2 majors, or a major and a minor, you can learn your craft and get a 2nd degree in something else. Some colleges that offer broadcast degrees sometimes offer film courses too. Our local cc has a great, inexpensive broadcast degree that has different tracks (news, documentaries, film…), as do many 4-year colleges. I’m not familiar with schools in VA; you’d have to do some research to find out which schools offer the majors you want.</p>