What's the Buzz About Penn This Year?

<p>Here’s a story from today’s DP about the rise in ED applications at Penn this year. What do you guys attribute the rise to? What’s the buzz about Penn at your high schools and is it different than in years past?</p>

<p>More students applied early decision to Penn this year than to any other Ivy League school.</p>

<p>But no one can say exactly why.</p>

<p>This year, 4,148 students applied early to Penn, a 21 percent increase over last year. Harvard and Yale had nearly 4,000, while Princeton and Columbia had fewer than 2,300.</p>

<p>While applications to Penn have been rising for some time, this sudden spike has left even members of the administration looking for answers.</p>

<p>“Why it happened in one year, I have no idea,” Dean of Admissions Lee Stetson said. “There’s no sudden thing this year.”</p>

<p>David Hawkins, director of public policy for the National Association for College Admission Counseling, agreed that it is hard to pinpoint a reason for the sudden increase, calling applications “fickle.”</p>

<p>“The standard increase seems to be in the single-digit range for the Ivies,” Hawkins said. “Generally, when you see a change that big, you look for something that came out of the admissions or financial-aid offices.”</p>

<p>Some have called attention to the fact that Penn fills almost half of each class from the early decision pool, suggesting that applicants are beginning to play the system to their maximum advantage.</p>

<p>Stetson said that “there is no indication of that whatsoever,” as the University has had the same early-decision policy for many years. He pointed out that Princeton, which “takes close to 50 percent” of each class early, has not seen a similar increase and still lags far behind in applicants.</p>

<p>Instead, Stetson believes that a number of developments are “converging in [Penn’s] favor” this year, citing recent recognition in major publications and the expansion of Penn’s focus on interdisciplinary programs.</p>

<p>For instance, the Kaplan College Guide said Penn was “hottest” for having students happy with their situation.</p>

<p>“It has to be a reflection of Penn’s rising visibility,” Stetson said. “It has to be by deduction that it’s a Penn image thing.”</p>

<p>Hawkins finds this explanation plausible.</p>

<p>“It could really be anything,” he said. “It certainly could have something to do with positive word-of-mouth.”</p>

<p>Canh Oxelson, a dean at Harvard-Westlake School in Los Angeles, said that while Penn has been popular with students at his school for some time, the University admissions staff has recently been very active in trying to improve Penn’s image beyond its traditional Northeast base, in areas such as California.</p>

<p>Early applications from students in California rose to 352 from 241 this year.</p>

<p>Several years of recruiting could be paying dividends now, though it’s impossible to say if the numbers will be the same next year, or if regular decision applications will be similarly high.</p>

<p>“I’ve definitely seen Penn and their profile rise here in southern California,” said Oxelson, who used to work for Penn admissions. Students “see Penn everywhere here.”</p>

<p>I can tell you from personal experience that among the dozen or so kids from my year applying to U.S. schools (not that many kids apply since we have McGill right downtown, and other great Canadian schools for a tenth of the price of a U.S. education), ten of them are applying to Penn--by far the most represented school.</p>

<p>Penn is gaining more recognition on the west coast, especially.</p>

<p>not fairrr.... why must the class of 06 get screwed over in everything</p>

<p>Now I love Penn with all my heart (I applied ED) but part of the explanation might have to do w/ the word of mouth circulating that HYP are just about impossible to get into. When kids see their valedictorian with a perfect SAT shut out from HYP & w/ acceptance rates going under 10%, I could see people giving Penn a shot as to try to avoid the "crapshoot." Of course there are the "perfect" kids being turned down from Penn too, but I don't think that Penn is as prominent in that respect.</p>

<p>Even with all that, however, Penn's reputation IMO is rising. You can see it in the yield numbers (I believe Penn rivals Princeton now...correct me if I'm wrong). All I'm saying is I think part of the inflation is due to applicants avoiding HYP and trying to take advantage of Penn ED benefits. </p>

<p>Obviously both factors come into play, but I think it's hard to say which played more of a role.</p>

<p>Just to let you guys know, it seems like MANY colleges have an extremely high increase in Early Decision applications this year, for example at Johns Hopkins University (my early decision schools), there is almost a 45% increase this year, going from around 600 applicants last year to 1100 applicants, which is just crazy.</p>

<p>it's simple: there is no real dropoff between HYP and Penn in terms of anything, so people figure why not apply to a school they're more likely to get into early</p>

<p>Penn rocks, I'll be applying there Ed next year for sure.</p>

<p>I think you have to look at the apps that increased the most , like the ones from California, international and minorities. All the recruiting could account for it, but I have family in California, and I know there are a ton of Penn alum that have moved out there and networked with other Penn alumni - maybe they are spreading the word.
For international apps there was an increase of recruiting efforts there to compensate for the fact that ppl thought there might be a backlash in international apps due to the war, terrorism and anti-American feelings in the world. That never happened, so there was a big increase.
There are just more numbers of kids born in this class - more are applying to college this year than any other year so far.<br>
Also, even if ED has been around for awhile, it seems like there are so many books about this now, and just by word of mouth, the idea has caught on to the point where some ppl are actually afraid NOT to ED somewhere.
My last thought is that there are some who would have applied early to HYPSM in other years, but who see their chances of getting in there this year, with all the competition as slim to none.</p>

<p>My thinking is that location could also be a factor (though I think HYPSM being so wildy known for being harcore to get into plays the biggest role though it doesn't explain why this year and why Penn and not the other ivies). Pennsylvania just seems like a less pretentious states than the others. And Philly is such a big part of Penn, the other ivies just don't have this claim, except columbia.</p>

<p>Last year Harvard had it's lowest acceptance rate ever - that could have something to do with it! I also agree that location is a huge factor, as alot of ppl think it's cool to go to school in or near a big city, and maybe that is something that has caught on in a big way, too.</p>

<p>also, advantages of ED have been publicized a LOT lately, there were a lot of articles out lately where penn stated that ED applicants have a major advantage. some official or said that way 'every penn student is really happy to be here' or something like that. penn is awesome.</p>

<p>But about buzz in the hallways -Where I am, ppl are being extremely quiet about their ED apps. Alot are not saying anything at all - I think they are afraid of feeling bad if they don't get in. But my guess is that there are about 20% more ED apps to Penn in my school this year compared to last year!</p>

<p>whats hyp or hypsm</p>

<p>h-harvard
y-yale
p-princeton
s-stanford
m-MIT</p>

<p>harvard yale princeton stanford mit... but this also means half the peeps applying early don't truly want to go, and that sucks and THEY suck haha</p>

<p>I wouldn't go as far as to say 50% - but I agree that it's really rotten that some ppl use ED that way. It makes it tougher for ppl like me who really, really, REALLY want to be there!</p>

<p>well at seas that's not an understatement, 42% increase in app most of which are probably doing this, and i assume at least part of the original amound had another 1st choice school...</p>

<p>Penn is just the best school in the world, what can we say :) I'm applying SEAS, no other 1st choice school ;) It was Princeton until I visited.. :P Maybe it has something to do with campus tours this year, too. Penn had by far the best tour/info session out of the schools I visited. Anyone else feel the same way?</p>

<p>IMO, the US news rankings have had a large effect.</p>