What's with the hate?

<p>I can't believe I'm defending my favorite Ivy school against people at the that school.</p>

<p>I think the problem is that you have still failed to explain why "Cornell lags at the undergraduate level..." whereas we have offered considerable evidence to the contrary</p>

<p>CayugaRed2005-
When I said it lags at the undergraduate level, I was comparing its undergrad programs to its grad programs (on average). I believe that Cornell is one of the top five universities in the world in terms of research and grad programs, yet I believe its undergrad program is between fifth and tenth. That's what I meant by it lags.</p>

<p>Keep in mind that I first wrote on this thread to assert that Cornell isn't better than Dartmouth or Brown at the undergrad level. All my support was used to prove Cornell isn't better. I never said Dartmouth or Brown is better than Cornell at the undergrad level. Perhaps the Cornell people on CC assume too much.</p>

<p>patlees88-
What are you trying to prove? Cornell is better than Brown and Dartmouth at the undergrad level?</p>

<p>Cornell is the best university on Earth. Period.</p>

<p>Of course Cornell is the best university to me. And your comment is quite contradictory...-.-...</p>

<p>In Taiwan, everyone knows about Cornell because our previous president is one of Cornell's honorary students. In fact, Cornell is widely recognized in Asia as a rigorous, prestigious university.</p>

<p>I love Cornell, and it is the best.</p>

<p>"It's one of the best... because no one is better than another."
"Neineibu,
It's one of the best, and it may be the best for you. However, when choosing among schools in Cornell's peer group, fit matters more than which one is better because no one is better than another."</p>

<p>That line is funny.</p>

<p>"Cornell is the best university on Earth. Period."</p>

<p>Neineibu,
What about your current president? He's a Harvard grad. Let's plug some names into my general statement. </p>

<p>"Cornell is one of the best, and it may be the best for you. However, when choosing among schools in Cornell's peer group, fit matters more than which one is better because no one is better than another. Harvard isn't better than Cornell, and Cornell isn't better than Harvard."</p>

<p>Anything wrong with my statement? Or are you going to just keep on insisting that Cornell is simple better than Harvard, Cambridge, Princeton, U Tokyo, ANU, etc.</p>

<p>For the sake of my sanity, and for the sake of the CC community, can we all agree to let this thread and all others like it die, and create threads that have some actual utility?</p>

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patlees88-
What are you trying to prove? Cornell is better than Brown and Dartmouth at the undergrad level?

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<p>If you read some of my previous posts, you would get the impression that I am a firm supporter of the shared belief that among top 20-25 universities, after HYPSM and a few, all these schools are similar in quality of education, meanwhile each school having different merits and different strengths. That is the point I have been getting at, somehow, many seem resistent to such notion. As for Brown and Dartmouth, I don't believe Cornell is superior to those two. They simply have different strengths and excel in different areas. Heck, they all have different missions as universities. Cornell's motto is, btw, very reflective of Cornell's academic focus and mission.</p>

<p>"all these schools are similar in quality of education"</p>

<p>This we can agree on. However, no exceptions for "HYPSM and a few" should be made at the undergraduate level.</p>

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This we can agree on.

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<p>It's good that we can agree on that. I was confused by your statements that suggested how Cornell undergrad is lacking and it trails behind Dartmouth or Brown in certain placements, as referenced by WSJ survey.</p>

<p>patlees88,</p>

<p>kartrider360 confidently insinuated that Cornell is better than Brown and Dartmouth at the undergrad level because it has better graduate programs. When I referred to the Wall Street Journal, I tried to argue that Cornell isn't better than Brown and Dartmouth. I never said that Brown or Dartmouth is better than Cornell. All I said was that Cornell is one of the best with a group of other schools as opposed to "Cornell is the best university on Earth. Period" (stated by Neineibu).</p>

<p>Oh come on, don't you think Neineibu was being a bit tongue in cheek?</p>

<p>Well, an absurd statement such as that deserves to be refuted.</p>

<p>Your lack of humor and spirit deserves to be reprimanded. I remembered a year or so ago, there was a post called "Cornell is the Best University on Earth" or words to that effect, on the Cornell forum, and received cheers and encouragements. </p>

<p>Is this the kind of spiritual decay happening at Cornell, similar to many a form of paralysis in "Dubliners" by James Joyce?</p>

<p>Back to the main topic, I think many ignorant people are just reluctant to recognize Cornell's rigorous academia. In comparison to Yale, Harvard, and Princeton, which are composed of "50% genius and 50% 'old blood'" according to my English teacher, Cornell does not play the legacy game.</p>

<p>That is the kind of meritocracy I believe in, and that is what puts Cornell over the top.</p>

<p>Neither HP or Y are 50% old blood. Maybe 50% genius and 50% URMs, legacies, and athletes, but not 50% legacies.
As a legacy at Cornell and other Ivies, I know that they all play the legacy game. Each of the schools sets up special visits, interviews and meetings for important children of Alumni. Cornell included.</p>

<p>This thread got a little of topic. I don't mean to be pushy but I haven't found an answer to my question. I understand that people who put down Cornell are ignorant and misinformed, but my question (and the reason I posted here) Is how do I deal with these people in a psychological sense. What do I tell myself to be able to psychologically handle the disrespect? I'm having trouble with this. I feel hesitant to wear Cornell apparel for fear of being made fun of. I don't feel comfortable discussing this insecurity outside of the anonymity of the internet. Any help would be welcome.</p>

<p>See...this is what I don't understand. I was never aware of Cornell bashing until I came to this forum.</p>

<p>I wear my Cornell gear with pride for my alma mater. I don't need to reassure myself every time I hear someone put Cornell down. I've learned to tune it out and it doesn't bother me. Cornell was the right school for me in every way. You need to be able to tell yourself this. If you truly can, then you can handle any disrespect you might encounter.</p>

<p>You should wear your Cornell apparel with pride, because you and most other people know that Cornell is one of the best universities in the world.</p>

<p>"I feel hesitant to wear Cornell apparel for fear of being made fun of."</p>

<p>Weird. I've worn a lot of Ohio State stuff before because of family affiliations, and never once been made fun of even though it's not the greatest (although a very good) school. Why would anyone make fun of you for wearing Cornell gear? Most often when I wear a Cornell shirt someone will come up to me to say a family member went there, or ask me if I know a current student.</p>