What's with the hate?

<p>yeah.. there are two kinds of reactions. Positive reactions and less positive reactions. Everyone has reasons of their own, but I tend to pretty much accept their own opinions. When someone flaunts those less positive opinions, I kinda get frustrated but then again, I remind myself. I can be the one that contributes and betters to our school's image. Hence, it excites me.</p>

<p>On the other hand, if I get a positive remark, I just think that I should match its awesomeness in whatever passion I have.</p>

<p>In the end, there are ways to keep your head up and not stoop down to petty arguments, frustrations that will neither change mine nor the other's view of Cornell. Its all about the perspective. There will always be haters and lovers.</p>

<p>Hmm... This really bothered me as well when I was deciding between colleges. I almost turned down CU engineering for a clearly inferior (in terms of engineering), Ivy League engineering school because I thought Cornell did not have a great reputation. Then, after leaving these threads... I realized that CU bashing occurs only among immature high schoolers who (as somebody already said) probably will get rejected from Cornell anyway. </p>

<p>I have received nothing but respect when I have told somebody that I am studying engineering at Cornell.</p>

<p>For those haters who say CU has no top ranked programs except for "irrelevant" things like Hotel adminstration... Try electrical/computer engineering (best in ivy league), applied engineering physics(best in the world), business (#4 in US), computer science (#5 in the world), architecture (#1 in the US, AHEAD OF MIT), biology( one of the best in the US), chemistry (arguably one of the best programs in the ivy league), operations research (#4 in the US), and much more. </p>

<p>Cornell is better than 99.9% of the schools you Cornell-bashers will ever get into. Period.</p>

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<p>yup unfortunately... but who cares about the haters, Cornell will always be respected out in the work world. ;)</p>

<p>^ Number one Vet program.</p>

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Cornell will always be respected out in the work world.

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<p>and in the end...that is what really matters</p>

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Everyone is really impressed by me going to Cornell and it actually makes me embarrassed to say I'm going to Cornell just because I always get the reaction "wow...you must be really smart", or my favorite "wow that's a really good school. Are you really smart?"...as an actual question and they wait till i say something lol. (Granted I do live in an area of small towns).

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<p>I got this same reaction when living in a small town area and, while not nearly as googly eyed in big cities with large educated populations, I have never had Cornell looked down upon in any way.</p>

<p>For the sake of current or prospective students, I think it's important on this thread to say that the Cornell bashing (which mostly occurs in the abstract world of CC elitism by insecure people trying to boost the reputation of their own peer school <em>Duke</em>) is waaaay less than the Cornell praising that happens in the real world. This is especially true if you personally carry yourself as an intelligent person and demonstrate to others who might have preconceived notions about Cornell. </p>

<p>I had a friend try to set me up at a wedding with a woman by introducing me with the line "...and he went to Cornell". Don't do that to people. There's nothing you can say after that introduction that doesn't make you look like a completely pompous ***. Seriously - try to think of any way to start a normal conversation off that prompt.</p>

<p>Lastly - keep in mind that most grad students who went straight from undergrad have no perspective outside of defining themselves by their schools. They have essentially delayed adulthood well into their twenties. Also, most people on these boards have no experience with schools beyond the ones to which they have gone and make judgments based on rumors or statistics that may or may not tell the story of a program (i.e. Cornell's #1 architecture school in the country having some of the lowest SAT scores in the University). </p>

<p>People need order in their lives - they need to know where thinks rank. Cornell defies that.</p>

<p>I can see how HPY bash Cornell, but for the rest of the schools (especially Dartmouth and Brown) I have news for them. It seems most of the bashing is from Darthmouth and Brown students. Well, don't listen to them because where I live and places I've visited, people don't even know what Dartmouth and Brown are. Some people say "Dartmouth is an Ivy league?" and others say "What is Dartmouth?" The same goes for Brown.
Also, they pick on Cornell because every ivy league school is famous for a certain program except Dartmouth and Brown, and since Cornell is the easiest to pick on, they try to tear it down. That is also the reason why Dartmouth and Brown aren't even ranked in the top 50 in world ranking systems (cause none of their programs stand out). just don't listen to them. They're just mad and scared that they might lose their rank in US News(because Brown already did).</p>

<p>I think it's also important not to seem too defensive about Cornell. Threads like this one pop up a couple of times a year on this forum. Honestly, it's not a big deal if someone doesn't know that Cornell is prestigious or if they don't know the difference b/w Cornell College and Cornell University. I'm going to a Top 20 med school next year (the undergrad is also ranked in the top 20) but most of my friends don't even know where it is. That's okay. I don't need my friends or acquaintances to pat me on the back. The people who matter (grad schools and employers) will know and that's enough.</p>

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I'm going to a Top 20 med school next year (the undergrad is also ranked in the top 20) but most of my friends don't even know where it is. That's okay. I don't need my friends or acquaintances to pat me on the back. The people who matter (grad schools and employers) will know and that's enough.

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<p>norcalguy, are you talking about WashU St Louis? WashU and Northwestern are only two top 20 schools that many people don't really know that well of. My friend goes to WashU, and whenever he brings it up, he gets only negative and ignorant responses, such as "so, is the school in washington state or st. louis?", etc. also, some folks in the east coast confuse NU with Northeastern, and they think NU is in boston.</p>

<p>It could also be... Vanderbilt, JHU, and depending on how you rank undergrads, UW</p>

<p>kartrider360
You have no idea what you are talking about. Most Cornell bashing come from Penn. You can't even talk about undergrad education without dragging in graduate programs. Cornell is a great research university. However, it lags at the undergraduate level. Dartmouth and Brown are considered as two of the premier undergrad institutions. Dartmouth's average SAT score is even higher that of Stanford's and is 55 points higher (on math and reading according to the latest data) than Cornell's. You know what? The elementary school teacher next door may have heard of Cornell (due to Cornell's size and graduate programs) but not of Dartmouth, but he/she will not affect a Dartmouth grad's career. People who have the influence to change careers - grad school admissions officers, IB recruiters - knows of Dartmouth. Check out Washington Journal's list of feeder schools. Don't cry when you see Cornell's position on the list. I'm don't have anything against Cornell; I'm just stating the truth. In fact, I got into Cornell's College of Engineering, and I was proud of that.</p>

<p><a href="http://wsjclassroom.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://wsjclassroom.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"However, it lags at the undergraduate level."</p>

<p>Please substantiate; you have no proof. </p>

<p>"Dartmouth's average SAT score is even higher that of Stanford's and is 55 points higher (on math and reading according to the latest data) than Cornell's."</p>

<p>You do know that a difference of 55 points implies only about one more incorrect question on each section, right??</p>

<p>Dartmouth is a good school. As simple as that. Don't feel a need to come to this forum to justify it's reputation or belittle ours.</p>

<p>Yeah, IPBear. Let's not turn this into a ****ing match. The old SAT stats get to be a tiresome and ineffective way of assessing both quality of programs and intelligence of students for schools like Cornell that have diverse program offerings and draw from diverse socioeconomic backgrounds (since SAT scores are ultimately reflective of social class, not intelligence).</p>

<p>Dartmouth is incredible. Kartrider was out of line, but no need for the bashing. I actually haven't heard anyone from Brown do any bashing of any school on here. Class act over there, if you ask me.</p>

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In fact, I got into Cornell's College of Engineering, and I was proud of that.

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<p>Yep. It is the easiest school to get into at Cornell, at least in terms of pure acceptance rate.</p>

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However, it lags at the undergraduate level. Dartmouth and Brown are considered as two of the premier undergrad institutions. Dartmouth's average SAT score is even higher that of Stanford's and is 55 points higher (on math and reading according to the latest data) than Cornell's.

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<p>Of course, when you compare apples to apples (e.g. the liberal arts colleges at Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth), Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth are all equal in terms of SAT scores. </p>

<p>Don't you think it is a bit disingenuous to compare predominantly liberal arts-oriented school with a university that incorporates many different applied majors where SAT scores aren't taken into consideration? If you can tell me how SAT scores will indicate future success in fields like textile management, food science, architecture, hotel management, or rural development, I'll concede your point.</p>

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Check out Washington Journal's list of feeder schools. Don't cry when you see Cornell's position on the list. I'm don't have anything against Cornell; I'm just stating the truth. In fact, I got into Cornell's College of Engineering, and I was proud of that.

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<p>First of all, it's the Wall Street Journal's list. Not some fictional publication called the "Washington Journal". Secondly, if you are not bright enough to understand all of the inherent problems in that ranking (geographic bias, selection bias, failure to control for distribution of majors, etc.) perhaps you shouldn't be coming on to these boards and making asinine comments.</p>

<p>"Cornell is a great research university. However, it lags at the undergraduate level"</p>

<p>are you this ignorant? Cornell offers most courses, most diverse majors, most diverse studies, good class faculty ratio, etc, for undergrads. I've seen your posts, and i have to admit your facetious claims that amazing schools like Cornell, Berkeley, etc, are somehow "lacking" at undergrad level is really getting pathetic. Dartmouth has its own strength as a LAC with high endowment and resources, while, Cornell has its own strengths in many undisputed areas. also, I wouldn't attempt to generalize a school's education as "lacking" when the school is ranked as 12 and is one of the best schools in the country....Is this concept that hard to understand?</p>

<p>" Most Cornell bashing come from Penn. You can't even talk about undergrad education without dragging in graduate programs."</p>

<p>sorry, you are saying that Cornell undergrad euducation isn't even worthy of being talked about. I would suggest you at least take a look at Cornell's undergrad academics and its programs before making a stupid comment.</p>

<p>"You do know that a difference of 55 points implies only about one more incorrect question on each section, right??"</p>

<p>Brown man1987,
Your score may be lowered by 55 points if you get one wrong each in critical reading and math, but only if your scores are near 800s. Do you realize that the averages are in the 600s and low 700s? At that range, 55 points lower implies getting numerous questions wrong. And, how can you take "I got into Cornell's College of Engineering, and I was proud of that" as a sign that I was belittling Cornell? Would I belittle a school by saying that I was proud to have gotten in?</p>

<p>"However, it lags at the undergraduate level" is a careless comment that I take.
These are all great schools. No doubt about it. At that level, a person's most important criteria should be about fit rather than reputation. However, kartrider360's insinuated argument about how Cornell is better Brown and Dartmouth at the undergraduate level using the reputation of Cornell's graduate programs is totally ludicrous.</p>

<p>CayugaRed2005
The College of Engineering has the highest average SAT scores out of all Cornell's colleges.</p>

<p>patlees88
Perhaps had you read the posts more carefully. You would have realized I was saying kartrider360 can't "even talk about undergrad education without dragging in graduate programs." I say to you: "I would suggest you at least take a good look [...] before making a stupid comment."</p>

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Check out Washington Journal's list of feeder schools. Don't cry when you see Cornell's position on the list. I'm don't have anything against Cornell; I'm just stating the truth. In fact, I got into Cornell's College of Engineering, and I was proud of that.

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<p>Cornell has many majors that aren't relevant to grad school/Wall street job placement. It has its shares of agriculture people, architects, hotel managers, etc. Dartmouth only has CAS and Eng, thus, understandable higher ratio of its grads in certain industries. Btw, I heard they get their info from facebook. I wouldn't count on that source to bash other schools, you know.</p>

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You know what? The elementary school teacher next door may have heard of Cornell (due to Cornell's size and graduate programs) but not of Dartmouth, but he/she will not affect a Dartmouth grad's career. People who have the influence to change careers - grad school admissions officers, IB recruiters - knows of Dartmouth

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<p>Dartmouth has grad schools in CAS as well as MBA program. Also, then, how about Princeton? It has less amount of grad school programs than Cornell, but, how is it then that it has such a formidable reputation? The problem may be with Dartmouth that it isn't well known, not Cornell. Also, hate to break the news, grad school admissions officers or employers won't give you a lag up over Cornell grad bc you went there. Cornell is as respected. Also, in grad school admissions, school's reputation isn't a very important consideration for admissions criteria to begin with anyway.</p>

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Perhaps had you read the posts more carefully. You would have realized I was saying kartrider360 can't "even talk about undergrad education without dragging in graduate programs." I say to you: "I would suggest you at least take a good look [...] before making a stupid comment."

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<p>good try. after you said that Cornell's undergrad is somehow "lacking"?</p>