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<p>Black Male
3.3 GPA at UVA(upward trend- 2.6 average my first year)
166 LSAT
Politics w/ Global Culture and Commerce minor
What are my chances at T-14?</p>

<p>Georgetown and UVA would be my top choices.</p>

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<p>You might have a slight chance, but your gpa is very low. Since you went to UVA, that might be the best chance.</p>

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<p>If your heart is set on T14 Northwestern might take you, especially if you do a few years of meaningful work experience. I’d say your odds are much better one step below the T14 though (ie Fordham, GW, Vandy et al).</p>

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<p>… well, I think it’s very worth applying, to… er, put it mildly. I’d blanket the T14 and see what happens.</p>

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<p>I think you should apply to every law school you want to attend and give it at shot.
In my hometown, at the University of Texas, they have ethnic background/minority status as a major factor in their admissions process. Also, a few of the major law firms in Austin have minority scholars programs.</p>

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<p>Yea no kidding. Many of you are underestimating the factor of AA in admissions.</p>

<p>OP, I think Cornell would be your best shot for T14s. Otherwise you’re in very good position for 15-30s.</p>

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<p>A 166 on the LSAT for a black person is equal to about 179 for a white person.</p>

<p>(((166-142)/8.3)x9.3)+152 = 178.89</p>

<p>You should have a decent shot at everywhere except HYSCB.</p>

<p>On a side note, why do blacks score so low on the LSAT?</p>

<p>I thought the explanation for their low score on the SAT is that most of them live in poor neighborhoods and go to bad schools. However, college is supposed to remedy this problem. Why does college seem to have absolutely no effect on the performance of black students on standardized tests?</p>

<p>And what is the justification for affirmative action in law school admissions? I though a college degree was the difference between being disadvantaged and privileged; why do blacks who graduate from college still need to be coddled?</p>

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<p>^ Stop hijacking the thread. </p>

<p>Where do you get the information that blacks score low on the LSAT? Kind of a outlandish statement. </p>

<p>Affirmative Action is being reviewed by the Supreme Court right now, so we’ll see what happens. </p>

<p>But again, don’t hijack the thread: start a new one.</p>

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<p>housecat does make a good point…but i do think that the OP should give it a shot either way…</p>

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<p>My URM daughter was waitlisted at UVA with a lower LSAT score, but get your application in early and you might have better luck. Work on you personal statement and blanket the top 20 schools. Good Luck</p>

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<p>Exactly. If AA functioned as it was designed to, then why aren’t people in the South receiving it over Northerners? They are clearly at a socioeconomic disadvantage, regardless of race.</p>

<p>I’m also perplexed in why Mexicans and Puerto Ricans receive more AA benefits than other Hispanics? Law schools are clearly trying to fill a predetermined quota on the racial and ethic makeup of their class, and are perhaps being pressured by student organizations within the schools.</p>

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Unfortunately in this hyper liberal society of ours, such studies are shunned upon and people may even be persecuted for publicizing it.</p>

<p>But one look at lawschoolnumbers.com and you can make your own conclusions.</p>

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<p>Don’t they? Equal applicant stats, one being from New Jersey and one from Alabama, isn’t Alabama at a significant advantage?</p>

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<p>geographic diversity is important too. Top law schools want to have a presence and a network throughout the USA.</p>

<p>so those applicants from alabama, iowa, kentucky etc. might have a slight advantage over the NE applicant with similar lsat/gpa’s.<br>
As a New Yorker this reality doesn’t thrill me, but it is certainly understandable.
Personally, I think economic, racial and geographic diversity makes good sense- though my own kid may be hindered by this process.</p>

<p>so to the OP or anyone from an underrepresented geographic area with a 166 LSAT, I too suggest you blanket the T-20 schools. I am sure you will have alot more acceptances than you think and maybe some nice merit money to consider.
And if you are a URM from Kansas, you got it made!!</p>

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<p>Okay, I was a little wrong on my math (I was looking at the data for women; unsurprisingly, they score lower). A 166 for a black person is about equal to a 177 for a white person, not a 179. </p>

<p>Again, why do blacks need affirmative action for law school admissions? Would that not suggest that affirmative action for undergraduate programs has failed, since it is supposed to “level the playing field?” Why is the LSAT race-gap identical to that on the SAT? Black LSAT takers don’t have the excuse that they lacked educational opportunities. </p>

<p>Thank god that justices Alito and Roberts will begin to repeal this nonsense.</p>

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<p>kudos to you Housecat. High school student with 10 posts and you have been able to be succinct and transparent enough to make your own political agenda clear for all to see. Sometimes it takes months for us to gain insight into the individuals who post on these boards. But BAM!! We know where you stand. No kumbaya moment for you.</p>

<p>In the adult world, most of us like to step out of our comfort zone. We learn from those we work with, go to school with and become friends with. Life becomes shallow and boring if one wants to spend time with carbon copies of themselves.</p>

<p>It’s good you’re going to a public university. And I mean that in the best sense- I am a strong proponent of public universities.<br>
Open your eyes, open your heart and LEARN from the experience.</p>

<p>gawd! I’m showing my age- does housecat know what a carbon copy is??</p>

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<p>Can you make any arguments to refute my point? Or can you just insult me?</p>

<p>Secondly, why would I try to hide my views on affirmative action? I think its any unjust practice and will do whatever I can to let others learn why I feel that way.</p>

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<p>Let’s not direct anti-affirmative action toward African Americans. They are not the ones who put this policy in place and they are not the ones who are supporting it in Washington.</p>

<p>Whether affirmative action is still needed today for grad school admissions is up for debate. It may be a fundamentally racist policy, but it has yielded practical success in the real world, and it was always intended on being a short term solution. I for one am sure glad that I’m not going to school made up of only Caucasians and Asians. </p>

<p>But I think we can all agree that AA, as it’s practiced today, is broken, especially with regards to Mexicans and Puerto Ricans receiving much higher benefits than other Hispanics. It’s certainly not meant to promote diversity, as Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are the two best represented Hispanic URMs in law school today. Something shady is at play…</p>

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<p>I may think it unfair that a kid from Nebraska with similar stats to my own d has a better shot at a T-14 than my own Jewish kid from Long Island–
so who said life was fair?? Deal with it. </p>

<p>But honestly, the campus would be a better place and be a more interesting and vibrant experience if it was filled with kids from different economic, racial and geographic locations. We bring our own life experiences into the classroom and this variety can add to ones education and knowledge about life.</p>

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<p>“Practical success?”</p>

<p>“The study found a stark achievement gap between blacks and whites throughout the nation’s law schools. Close to half of the black law students ended up in the bottom tenth of their class. African-Americans were more than twice as likely as whites to drop out – and more than six times as likely to fail state bar exams after multiple tries.”</p>

<p>How do you define “practical success?” It looks to me like law schools are just wasting spots by giving them to unqualified black applicants.</p>

<p>Source: [Affirmative</a> Action Hurts Black Law Students](<a href=“http://www.adversity.net/Sander/RHS_main_frame.htm]Affirmative”>http://www.adversity.net/Sander/RHS_main_frame.htm)</p>

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<p>^^ If you truly believe that AA hurts African Americans, then you must also believe that AA helps YOU significantly by boosting your class rank. </p>

<p>Lawyers who finish outside of the top 3 quartiles for T14s, top half for T30s, top quartile for T50s, or attend TTT do not get paid.</p>

<p>[Hard</a> Case: Job Market Wanes for U.S. Lawyers - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html]Hard”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html)</p>

<p>[Empirical</a> Legal Studies: Class of 2007: A More Extreme Bi-Modal Distribution](<a href=“http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2008/07/class-of-2007-s.html]Empirical”>http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2008/07/class-of-2007-s.html)</p>

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