<p>Not ours lol. However, that doesn’t mean you’ll necessarily get in w/below a 1400 (or w/it or above it) for that matter. Plus I think we’re about to get serious about “enrollment management” (this phrase is now being thrown around by the administration after the decline for 2013 and 2014) regardless of our app. numbers. Many of the non-Ivies admit students far above the range that will enroll (like Vandy and maybe JHU for example. Normally the SAT range for those enrolled goes down quite a lot). Emory seems to be one of the weird schools that admits at the range it expects to yield (In essence, they will admit at an average of 1400-1410 and those who enroll average at about 1395-1400. Vandy’s admitted student range suggests about a 1500 average, but we know that the average of students that enroll will be much lower. The 25% generally dips from like 1440 to 1350-1370. The 75% drops from like 1550-1590 to like 1530-1550). I think you have to look at things like this: Places like that will admit above par whereas we admit on par. This is probably due to the fact that we also use interest and fit a lot, which means that many people who will compose the 75% will not be admitted (and thus having between 1350 and say 1500 is kind of a safe area), due to cynicism (an unfortunate side-effect of a school trying to desperately move up in rankings). Places like Vandy are more optimistic (rightfully so) and bank on yielding a reasonable number of those higher end candidates regardless of “fit” or “interest”. This is mainly b/c the schools have different goals I guess. Emory has issues w/school pride/retention at times, so wants to make sure it gets people who really want to be there (as opposed to being here b/c it’s the only top 20 they can afford/were admitted to). Vandy has D-1 sports and a stereotypical college experience, so has no such worries I suppose.<br>
It helps to look into the character and admissions scheme of a school before looking somewhat blindly at the HS stats associated w/the admission stats. If available, look at admitted stats vs. enrolled and see if there is a trend. Also, see if they look for additional aspects beyond the “norm” in admissions.
seiclan: The more intellectual schools are generally associated with a pretty heavy workload. It’s up to the student to decide whether it’s busy work. Some students tend to, for example, define any large amount of work outside of class as “busy-work” even though in reality it could be meaningful. From the high school perspective, I define busy-work as the rather meaningless worksheets that could be filled out by simply opening a book and copying answers (IE, no original thought being motivated) or a teacher giving a class such a worksheet while they go sit down and grade papers (that’s how you know it is busy work. They try to occupy you while they get things done in peace). I don’t really see this in college, however many of my peers who hate putting in extra effort view any exercise assigned not directly related to a test or burgeoning essay as “busy-work” (they may have actually gotten this mentality from HS that only said kind of work seemed meaningful) whereas I generally view the assignments as reinforcement of the material and my thinking skills (if not merely an exercise such as viewing a movie and writing a review about it in context of its relation of the class, which simply makes the class more interesting).</p>
<p>“Our college counselor has told my son that unless he retakes his SAT and gets about a 1500 CR/M, he will not get into most of the schools on his list (which currently includes Columbia, UPenn, Vanderbilt, CMU, Emory, WashU, Rice and Georgia Tech).”</p>
<p>Don’t take what the counselor said as the gospel. Sometimes they’re really on target with your child, and sometimes they’re not. I do think your son would benefit from applying to one of these schools EDI or II (like Emory – did you visit yet?) My daughter got off the WL at Emory with 1350 in CR/M and 2080 overall. And geography (NYC area) wasn’t helping her.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if you said this already, but does he want to stay in the South (sounds like it)? And what does he want to study? Would U of Maryland College Park fit in his plans? Or maybe American University?</p>
<p>Did he look at Wake Forest? </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>S got a 1940 on SAT (680 m, 680 r, 580 w) and a 31 on ACT. He refused to retake SAT. Admitted to UCDavis, UCBerkeley, UCSanta Cruz, Layfayette, UPenn. Deferred ED by Yale (then rejected), rejected by Stanford.</p>
<p>I believe with that score it will be reach but remember SAT/ACT is not everything.</p>
<p>Bernie - I wish that there was more published about the actual stats of each school’s yield. </p>
<p>Tell me more about Emory though, it is on my son’s short list and may be a high match school for him (even though my daughter was rejected from Emory back in 2006). I think that it may have much of what my son is looking for in a school (coed and bright student body, size, location -near airport and a city, strong science department). We plan to visit Emory (and Georgia Tech) either late summer or early fall.</p>
<p>^^califlax mom: your geography helped your son with the east coast schools he was admitted to…</p>
<p>not the case for the OP unless they are willing to venture westward…</p>
<p>Emory is a an enrollment management school in reg decision; they use it to fill the “flavor of the month” that they want that they don’t get in ED…demographics play a HUGE role in this</p>
<p>Hampshire College in Mass-- very intellectual, free-spirited but hard-working-- part of the 5-college consortium so Amherst and UMass and Smith courses are open. I know a kid who just came into his own wonderfully at Hampshire-- they need that self-starting work ethic which it sounds like your son has. </p>
<p>And St. John’s in Maryland-- the great books curriculum-- I know several who swear by it. He’d get in either place.</p>
<p>*I am asking all you parents (or recent HS graduates) where did the kids who had a 1950 - 2100 total SAT (or a 1350-1450 CR/M SAT), NO HIGHER, get into college in the past **two or three **years. What schools did they apply to and what were their admissions results. Please let us know if they were an athlete or applied ED or had any special hooks, or if they got in later off a waitlist. *</p>
<p>Also, indicate state that you’re from, year of admission, and whether the student was a URM or not. </p>
<p>Many schools admission policies have gotten tougher during the last 2 admissions cycles. USC was unbelievable this last season rejecting kids that they would have accepted 2 years ago. </p>
<p>Our home state is Florida.
He is planning to do **premed **as a Biology or some other science major but may think about biomedical engineering as well.
He loves science and has taken most of the science classes offered at our HS.
He will graduated having taken 13 AP classes and the rest honors (except for the required PE and music).
His SAT is currently 1430/1600, 2070/2400
His GPA is 3.85 UW, 5.1 W
**Money is not a consideration. **We will spend whatever he needs at the right school for him. We will not be filing FAFSA or requesting any FA. Merit money is always nice.</p>
<p>Good!!! 
Can I ask…will you be paying $200k+ for med school as well? If not, getting merit as an undergrad can sure make paying for med school more do-able (that’s what we’re doing with younger son who is pre-med)</p>
<p>*and he wants bigger than his high school, a definite campus, near a major airport, and no big hills (seriously, he didn’t like Tufts cause of the hills so Lehigh is out). *</p>
<p>What ELSE does he want in a school outside of academics?</p>
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<p>We are fortunate that we can pay full tilt for med school as well. Merit money would be icing and we love icing on our cake. It could influence our decisions but not dictate them. </p>
<p>I am not sure what else DS wants in a college (and I don’t think that he does either). He is a guy’s guy and not very introspective or verbally expressive at this point. I know that he wants to be able to come home for holidays without it being a major deal (so school’s accessible to airports). I know he prefers to hang with the intellectual crowd. I know he does not “party” (in the sense of the word that todays 18 year old’s are familiar with). His major relaxation/vice is Call of Duty on Xbox live or runescape on computer. I know he would like to have more of a social life at college (he really doesn’t have much of one now). I know that his ethics and other beliefs come from an eclectic upbringing (in Jewish home with republican/more conservative values). Then again, I could know nothing. :(</p>
<p>I got a 2110, with a 1390 cr/m. (upped to 1440 on retake.)
I applied ed to Rice and was deferred, with the first score.
I applied rd to a bunch of highly selective liberal arts schools that in retrospect were bad matches for me. I was rejected from places such as Bowdoin and Middlebury. I was ultimately rejected at Rice, accepted at Colgate and Macalester as well as my state school’s honors college. Waitlisted at boston college.
My final tally was 3/9.
I got lucky with Mac. Try not to let your kids do what i did–get attatched to one school and not seriously consider other options. Looking back on my list, i only wanted to attend two of the schools! what a waste of money.</p>
<p>D1´s best friend (girl) got into Cornell Engineering ED with mid 600 SAT, even math. If you go through Cornell ED thread (or any school your son is interested in), you´ll be able to get a sense whether he is within range.</p>
<p>Seiclan - -one other thought – I know you said your school doesn’t use Naviance, but does your son know the boys in the grade above him well enough to know what scores they got and where they got in? Sort of an informal Naviance, as it were… At our school, the kids talk about their scores (but who knows how truthful they are). I have a son who’ll be applying to school in a few years, and in order to get ideas for schools, I’ve been asking my daughter “who is like your brother and where did they get in?”</p>
<p>Yes, I have been trying to get that information but unfortunately, DS never seems to know (or care) about anyone else’s stats, just occasionally, where they are going. I know that this year’s Val and Sal are going to Duke and Yale. I know of another boy that got into Brown ED but all of these kids have the SAT’s way over 2100. My two daughter’s would talk endlessly about who is applying where and who got in and who didn’t. Boys are not quite so chatty in general and my son, less than most.</p>
<p>blueiguana our school updates the Naviance data so the highest score is the one used. (Not the superscore though that made little difference for either of my kids.)</p>
<p>I also think that if there are other factors that cancel out the low SAT score that may be considered. For example, my younger son had a 670 in math, but was taking BC Calc. He also had a letter of recommendation from his math teacher too who basically said that although my kid didn’t always get the best test grades, he though my son had a better understanding of math than kids who looked better on paper.</p>
<p>I really believe that if your son has two safety schools he likes, and preferably one with an early action or rolling option, he can aim as high as he likes.</p>
<p>Thank you mathmom - that does make sense to me. UCF is rolling admissions and he should get his decision by the end of September (if he applies in August). UMiami has early action and he should get that decision by February 1st.</p>
<p>Not an expert, but I think your son’s stats bode pretty well for several of the schools on his list like Vandy, CMU, Wash U, Ga Tech, and maybe even Rice. That 800 SAT Math score is pretty impressive, and those schools with heavy technical interest will take that into consideration. All of those schools may be reaches, but not too far out of whack with that big 800 in Math.</p>
<p>And I may be wrong, but not having financial need may work in his favor as well.</p>
<p>If he wants a big school environment, most of the big public schools in the South would love to have a kid with those stats. Many of them would offer nice merit aid as well.</p>
<p>I had a 2080 SAT, but I didn’t send it. Instead I sent my 34 ACT, so I guess I don’t really have a place commenting on this thread… so just a random thing.</p>
<p>Tulane has been mentioned a few times as a match/safety. I would recommend applying as EARLY AS POSSIBLE. They say it’s early action, but it’s really more like rolling. I got my decision back in about a week and shortly after I found out I’d gotten into the honors program and got a $25,000/year scholarship. Hearing that in November really took a load off of my shoulders. Hearing that in October before I sent out my ED app would have probably been even better.</p>
<p>Another Florida family here:</p>
<p>D1: 1450 SAT (730/720), 4.0 UW, IB Diploma Candidate 2009
Accepted UVA (attending), Boston College (EA), URichmond
W/L at William and Mary
Rejected Yale, Harvard</p>
<p>S1: 1450 SAT (800 math), 3.8 UW, IB Diploma Candidate 2011, Music Supplement
Accepted CWRU 17.5K academic merit (attending) UMiami (24K music merit and 20K academic merit), Notre Dame (EA)
W/L at Duke and Vanderbilt.</p>
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<p>But this year was especially grim for applicants to the two Chicago schools. My D’s high school, which sends a bunch of kids to both each year, saw its admit rate fall more than 50%. As an aside, I heard the former dean of admissions at UChicago speak last spring (2010), and this was exactly what he predicted would happen. Rumor is he left that job (he still teaches at the university) because he disagreed strongly with the decision to go common app.</p>
<p>S2’s SAT scores were: 700cr, 750m, 800 writing. He fits your request in terms of just math and critical reading. His writing puts him over your requested limits, but a lot of colleges don’t look at the writing portion.</p>
<p>He also scored 35 over-all on the ACT.</p>
<p>His high school grades were 4.0 unweighted, weighted was 4.6 ? maybe 4.65?</p>
<p>7AP classes: five 5’s, two 4’s</p>
<p>Typical EC’s: national honor society, couple of week long habitat for humanity trips, etc.</p>
<p>Ranked 18 in his class of a bit over 300. Top 5%. Higher ranked kids also had 4.0, but took a couple more AP/GT level classes. He is white, from a suburban, competitive, very well regarded, racially diverse public school on the east coast.</p>
<p>Highly involved in music: Junior and Senior All-State, award at natl. competition for jazz improv, drum major, etc.</p>
<p>Lettered in Cross country, lacrosse and track (gave up lacrosse to focus on running year round.) 9 letters all together. Scoring runner on varsity CC that won state twice. Went to state in indoor and outdoor track twice each.</p>
<p>Applied to: Brown (rejected), U-Penn (rejected), Stanford (rejected), Rice (waitlisted), Vanderbilt (accepted), Villanova (accepted), UVA (accepted), College of William and Mary (accepted), U-Md (accepted), Wake Forest (accepted) and UNC-Chapel Hill OOS (accepted, where he will be attending this fall).</p>
<p>No hooks.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>S1 1830 SAT, 3.7 unweighted, 4.2 weighted GPA, took a couple AP’s, scored 3 and 4, ranked in top 25% of class. </p>
<p>NAtional Honor Society, a few clubs.</p>
<p>Worked 15 hours a week, year round during last 2 years of school.</p>
<p>Highly involved in music.</p>
<p>Lettered in soccer and lacrosse. Recruited to play lacrosse at several D3 schools. </p>
<p>Applied to: Penn State (accepted), Ursinus (accepted), James Madison (accepted) St. Mary’s College of Maryland (accepted) and U-Md (accepted and attending).</p>
<p>Ursinus, JMU and St.Mary’s are all terrific colleges! Look into them!</p>