<p>Hey just wondering which of these colleges are most friendly to an international who has been studying in America for 3 years and does NOT need FA:</p>
<p>Stanford
MIT
Caltech
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia
Wharton
London School Economics
Cambridge</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Most schools will jump at the chance to take a strong-stat international who doesn’t need FA. You may be best off at the NON-need-blind schools.</p>
<p>So which universities out of the above aren’t needblind?</p>
<p>My dream school is Princeton but I realize that is needblind but any of the above are great for my major in math or economics or political science.</p>
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<p>If you’ve been studying in America for 3 years, I doubt if you will be considered an “international” student for admission purposes.</p>
<p>kenf1234/ if you don’t have citizenship or green card, you are still an international even if you lived in the states for 20 years. the question is apparently not about taking toefl or not.</p>
<p>^^I just don’t think you are right for the above schools. I think OP will be evaluated based on where OP went to high school. He won’t be evaluated in the pool of international students. His thing says “Andover” in the fall! He’s going to be evaluated in the Andover pool.</p>
<p>He may be technically an international student, he may need an F-1 visa or whatever, but he doesn’t need FA. So I don’t see how it is an issue.</p>
<p>I may be wrong, of course. Or it may be different for each school. But I don’t think international status is going to be the main issue.</p>
<p>I learned the hard way that, even after living in the U.S. for 8 years, and going to both Middle and High Schools here, without a green card I got treated as an international and competed in the international pool.</p>
<p>^^How did you learn that specifically? Which schools?</p>
<p>Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Olin all rejected me saying that the “international applicant pool this year was especially competitive blah blah blah” Other top schools I applied to didn’t reply to my email asking (nicely) why I was waitlisted. I got into one of my top choices, however, so I didn’t bother to follow up with the waitlist.</p>
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<p>Each of those four schools mentioned specifically in the letter about the international applicant pool? If so, that’s very strong evidence against what I suggested. I’m surprised they all phrased it that way.</p>
<p>^Yup.</p>
<p>Like you, I also thought (and hoped) my lack of green card wasn’t going to be an issue since I grew up as an American high school kid… </p>
<p>Even now, I still think students who went through all four years of high school in US should be judged as an US applicant.</p>
<p>^^It’s a brutal system, then. I wonder what the main issue, whether it’s financial aid, or overall statistics (an international quota) or what.</p>
<p>i guess you could be right saying that he wouldn’t be competing in the intenational-pool since he doesn’t need FA. (for internationals with FA-need, it really sucks)</p>
<p>well, but yeah, technically he’s still an internationAl, so i don’t how much it’s going to affect him at the undergrad level, but there’s going to be alot of other areas where that’s going to hurt ALOT.</p>
<p>there are bunch of kids who studied 4 years in the Ivy-Leagues, got >3.7GPA, and failed to get accepted into ANY medical schools because they were internationals, some of whom came here even before their teens. </p>
<p>how do i know? cuz some of them are my friends. many (i mean many) of them have went back to their country just because of that.</p>
<p>Many companies won’t even look at the resume of international students during career fair (i meant to say almost 90 % of companies i saw on InterviewTRAK and numerous career fairs - although i realized finance industries were more lieniant for some reason.)</p>
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<p>Basic research on your own is expected.</p>
<p>Posters on this board claim if you already hold a green card, you are not considered an international. Can anyone confirm that?</p>
<p>If you don’t have a green card, you are definitely in the international pool, no matter where you’ve lived and for how long. </p>
<p>Colleges, even the most selective, use international students to boost their diversity figures, not just racial but also ethnic, cultural and religious. So the main determining factor in admissions is not your grades and scores (although those have to be within range) but what the admissions committee thinks you can contribute to the campus community.</p>
<p>You’ve listed the MOST selective colleges in America so you’ll be competing with many high achieving internationals for the same limited slots. You need to think about your own points of differentiation – i.e., what could you bring to the table? </p>
<p>I’d suggest that you look at some less selective colleges, maybe some small liberal arts colleges, maybe some colleges located in the Midwest or rural locations that internationals often overlook.</p>
<p>^^I can. MIT/caltech adcoms told me in their email…</p>
<p>Green Card or citizenship = U.S. Pool
No Green Card = International Pool</p>
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Jeez…</p>
<p>Wow… Do you know how to system works man? Are you sure…You can live in America for a thousand years for all I care. Your an international student regardless of how many years you spend in an American highschool. lol</p>
<p>Yes, thanks for all the responses! </p>
<p>Okay, I researched it Keilexandra and I came up with:</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Williams and MIT. Am I missing one? Because I wouldn’t have thought Williams so I might miss another one or two…</p>
<p>Is not needed FA a advantage with Cambridge? What would you say are the boosts one gets in an admissions process with Stanford without FA? Like are your chances like increased by like 30% or is that too high a number?</p>
<p>Thanks guys!</p>
<p>PS. These colleges are certainly not the only ones I’ll apply to! They’re all very tough so I might trim some and I’ll certainly add some matches and safeties. </p>
<p>What are Duke and Georgetown like with internationals, again not needing FA…</p>
<p>^Nah bro I think that’s way too high.</p>
<p>A lot of the international kids accepted at Stanford get accepted without needing FA (either they have the cash or the government pays for them). Your chances are better then if you needed the money but I doubt your chances are higher than a usual US applicant…</p>