Where should I Transfer?

Transfer Students
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<p>Hi everyone... I will be a sophomore this fall at Indiana University studying Finance and Accounting at the Kelley school of business... but I am looking for a more prestigious university or undergradute business school to transfer into either the 2nd semester of my sophomore year or the fall semester of my junior year... right now I am strongly interested in Investment Banking.. </p>

<p>and can anyone give me any sugguestions/recommendations to the schools I should look at for transfering? </p>

<p>Here are my stats</p>

<p>IU Gpa 3.87
First Semester 3.78
Second Semester 3.94
I was a member of two business clubs
I was also a peer-tutor for a intro to business computers class
Work: I am a marketing intern for a hair corporation</p>

<p>although my college stats are modest.. i was a big time slacker in high school</p>

<p>HS stats
HS GPA 3.18 (UW)... I took no AP or honors classes
SAT SCORE was an exact 1800
Math - 710
reading - 510
writing - 580
I also did not take any SAT 2's
EC: I played football all four years in high school and I was a two year varsity player
Volunteer- I did like 7 hours of volunteer at a nursing home.</p>

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<p>Your SAT scores could be a problem, but if you wait until next semester to apply they probably won't matter as much. If you keep your gpa up that high, get good recs, and write good essays, you could probably get in anywhere.</p>

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<p>Hello again, 1ee304.</p>

<p>For Investment Banking, besides Indiana University, the places to go are:</p>

<p>Business Schools:
Penn (Wharton)
NYU (Stern)
Virginia (McIntire Commerce School)
UC Berkeley (Haas)
Michigan (Ross)
Georgetown (McDonough)
Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
North Carolina
Cornell</p>

<p>Non-Business Schools:
Other Ivies not listed above (obviously)
Stanford
University of Chicago
Duke
Northwestern</p>

<p>And regionally strong would be:
Notre Dame
Emory
USC
Williams
Amherst
and Tufts</p>

<p>I expect your SAT would hurt you at schools like the Ivies, Duke, Stanford, Virginia, NYU, and Northwestern. Most of the other schools won't care about your SAT--especially if you have a great GPA.</p>

<p>Have you considered retaking the SATs? My son did this last summer (between his freshman and sophomore college years) and boosted his scores from 1790 to 1950 so that he could improve his chance at transferring. His original scores were almost the same as yours--and I'm thinking you could boost your scores similarly if you worked at it this summer and took the test in October like he did. This would help your chances greatly at some of the schools I've mentioned above (like Virginia and NYU, for instance).</p>

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<p>Calcruzer... takes for the detailed advice I realy appreciate it... but some of the schools you mentioned won't take me as a jr transfer student cause I will have taken too many business courses at IU. Can you by any chance differentiate the schools that will accept most of my classes from the schools that will not?</p>

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<p>I don't know how many units and which classes you have taken. If you let me know that, then I can limit the list down a bit for you.</p>

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<p>Ok... So far I have taken 30 credits worth of classes at IU... also during the my sophomore year I plan on taking 6-7 classes during the fall term and 5-6 classes during the spring term and i would say all those classes with be for the I-core pre-req because the mitte honors i-core only is in fall and for the investment banking workshop you have to be in i-core during your fall semester of your junior year..</p>

<p>First Semester
k-201 3credits
X-100 3credits
W-131 3credits
M-118 3credits
E-( something bull **** like learning and reading techniques ) - 2credits</p>

<p>2nd semester I took
E-201 3 credits
M-118 3 credits
A-100 1 credit
public speaking 3 credits
hist of rock and roll 3 credits
criminal justice 3 credits
I also had no AP course credits..</p>

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<p>You listed M118 twice, so I’ll presume you meant M119 the second time.</p>

<p>Based upon what you already took (I’m listing this for others following these threads that don’t know what the course numbers mean at Indiana University):</p>

<p>First semester you took
The Computer in Business BUS-K201 3 credits
Introduction to Business BUS-X100 3 credits
English Composition ENGL-W131 3 credits
Finite Math MATH-M118 3 credits
Learning and reading techniques – 2 credits</p>

<p>2nd semester you took
Introduction to Microeconomics ECON-E201 3 credits
Survey of Calculus I MATH-M119 3 credits
Introduction to Accounting BUS-A100 1 credit
Public Speaking CMCL-C121 3 credits
History of Rock Music MUS-Z202 3 credits
Criminal Justice 3 credits</p>

<p>Next semester (Fall 2008) you will probably take:
Corporate Social Strategy BUS-G202 2 credits
Career Perspectives BUS-X220 2 credits
Statistics for Business and Economics ECON-E370 3 credits
Introduction to Financial Accounting BUS-A201 3 credits
Global Cultures course 3 credits
Philosophy or Psychology course 3 credits</p>

<p>Spring semester 2009 you will probably take:
Legal Environment of Business BUS-L201 3 credits
Business Communications BUS-X204 3 credits
Technology BUS-X201 3 credits
Introduction to Managerial Accounting BUS-A202 3 credits
Science course 3 credits</p>

<p>Based upon this, you would have good chances at schools such as:
Texas
NYU
Georgetown
Carnegie Mellon
WUSL (Washington University at St. Louis)
Notre Dame</p>

<p>Schools you wouldn’t be able to get into would be:
Michigan (you had to apply as a freshman for sophomore admittance)
North Carolina (they require more elaborate Economics background courses)
Penn and UC Berkeley (they require you take the accounting courses there)</p>

<p>Schools where you would have to take additional courses your sophomore year to get in:
USC (requires a second semester calculus-M120 and a second semester English course—preferably English L170, but English W231 is also accepted)
Cornell or Virginia (both require a year of foreign language)</p>

<p>Schools that have specialized requirements, but where you might get in:
Emory (says you have to have taken exactly 64 units)—and they won’t accept the Law class, or the Financial or Managerial classes, since you have to take those at Emory</p>

<p>Schools that might let you in, but would not take many of your credits (since most don’t have undergraduate business schools and most of your classes were business courses):
Duke
Stanford
Univ of Chicago
Northwestern
Williams
Amherst
Tufts
All Ivies except Penn and Cornell</p>

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<p>"Schools you wouldn’t be able to get into would be:
Michigan (you had to apply as a freshman for sophomore admittance)
North Carolina (they require more elaborate Economics background courses)
Penn and UC Berkeley (they require you take the accounting courses there)"</p>

<p>you can apply to Michigan, it is just that if you are accepted you will still need to go through their 3 year program so even though you have junior level amount of credits, you will still be a sophomore. i think for admission they just will not count some of the classes you took, like all accounting classes will not count unless they were taken at Ross..that is what they state on their website, i looked cause i applied to transfer there this year. </p>

<p>don't know about NC or Penn. </p>

<p>but for Haas, you would need to have 3 transferable english classes and they are super picky about that. i took 2 english classes at nyu and they both did not count. you should go on the Haas website and download the form to fill out for them to check your english classes. also need, an intro bus class, one semester of calc, micro and macro econ, stats, computer science. [all these must be finish by the spring you intend to transfer..i know you have some finished already] and you need 7/9 GEs required from them: 2 arts and humanities, 1 biological science, 2 international studies, 1 physical science, 3 social and behavioral sciences...any combo of 7 classes in those topics. and also foreign language (3yrs at high school or 2nd sem college level or sat 2 score) without any of those complete, you will not be considered for admission to Haas.</p>

<p>but honestly, i think your stats are really really good and if you at not that interested in berkeley, there are probably a lot of places that are willing to accept you cause you show a huge improvement going from high school to college!</p>

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<p>calcruzer thank you so much for the detailed information! I did some research on some of the schools you mentioned and you were dead on. There is a niche for college transfer advisors and I think you would be able to make some decent money helping students like me.. anyways, actually the classes that I will be taking during my sophomore year will be</p>

<p>fall semester
A-202 (Intro to Managerial Accounting ) 3 credits - enrolled
F-228 (Intro to Investment Banking) 1.5 credits /first 8 weeks - waitlisted
G-202 (Corporate Social Strategy) 2 cedits - enrolled
L-202 (Legal Environment of Business) 3 cedits - enrolled
X-201 (Technology) 3 credits - enrolled
X-220 (career perspectives) 2 credits/ 2nd 8 weeks - waitlisted
X-205 (Business comunications-honors) 3 credits - enrolled</p>

<p>and 2nd semester will be all the classes left for my I-core pre-req.. and mostly econ classes.. as you can see I am trying to save my gen-ed requirements </p>

<p>I realy need to take f-228 and x-220 during my fall semester because.. I need to see if I realy want to do Investment Banking.. if I do decide Investment Banking is the direction I want to head into.. I will def stay at IU and try to get into the IBW.. because they place their students very well in Ibanks, however if I decide that Ibank is not the choice for me I will probably transfer out to hopefully a better b-school & a better overall school.. preferablly in the east coast because I am from the tri-state area. So I am extremely frustured that I am on the waitlist for f-228 and x-220 =( is there anything I can do with my waitlist position? </p>

<p>finally after looking at my relative sophomore year schedule does it narrow or widen my list of possible colleges to transfer to? ... and if so which colleges are effected? </p>

<p>greatly thankful,</p>

<p>1ee304</p>

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<p>Good information from Calcruzer, I would just like to touch on one thing:</p>

<p>The Tepper School of Business is very selective for high school seniors (more than some of the other schools listed) and even as a senior it would be a reach school for him. However, in his current situation the school would be impossible as it does not take transfers of any kind from external schools. </p>

<p>Transfer</a> Information : Tepper School of Business</p>

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<p>Thanks lfecollegeguy, good info on Tepper that I was not aware of. </p>

<p>1ee304,</p>

<p>As far as getting into BUS X220, I have no suggestions. My own son will be a junior next year and still hasn't been able to get into that class (not even for this coming Fall--meaning he'll be taking I-Core his senior year!)</p>

<p>As far as BUS F228, I think it's all up to David Haeberle who gets in. I suggest you either try to reach him now or during the first week of school in August. He seems to be a really approachable, open-minded kind of guy, and if you explain the situation, I'd say he's likely to let you into the class. (My son talked to him about the IB program earlier and this is the way he described Dr. Haeberle to me).</p>

<p>Since you'll have a hard time getting into BUS X220, I'd take the open spot and try to take either another semester of foreign language (to apply to NYU and Virginia) or else take an English course--and then decide later if you want to take the second calculus course and apply to a school like USC next year (a school well-known for its excellent Leadership and Management Consulting programs) if you decide not to go into I-Banking.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>Calcruzer, I am # 3 on waiting list postion for x-220.. Do you think I will be able to get into x220 before school starts?</p>

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<p>1ee304: I would try to consider Vanderbilt. A good school, with a decent business school, and should be easier for you to transfer into.</p>

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<p>hey can i ask you something? why do you want investment banking?</p>

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<p>hello blackholezz.. I am not 100% sure if I want to do I-banking but perhaps by taking an I-banking class, reading more books on I-banking, and asking other people I hope to get a better sense to decide If I-banking is the career for me.. but the reasons that I am strongly interested in I-banking so far are</p>

<p>this is the list in order </p>

<ol>
<li><p>Competition, especially competing against some of the smartest and hardest working individuals...</p></li>
<li><p>A genuine interest in Finance and it's really interesting how there's always something new going on everyday in the financial world... and how it effects the stock market.</p></li>
<li><p>the learning curve, you get to learn alot right after college so even if you decide not to choose I banking as a lifetime career you have other great opportunities. </p></li>
</ol>

<p>4.I think my type A personality fits perfectly with I Banking.. I really like how I-banking is cut-throat and intense... </p>

<ol>
<li><p>The prestige of being an I-banker and money</p></li>
<li><p>Given a lot of responsibilities at such a young age and being able to work for CEO's and some of the world's most successful businessmen.</p></li>
</ol>

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<p>thats good to hear :)</p>

<p>good luck man!</p>