<p>Just to get an idea compared to US UNIs</p>
<p>What about selectivity?</p>
<p>I thought every1 would throw themselves at this one....</p>
<p>OK, I'll bite. It's tough to compare the likes of McGill (and Toronto) to the top American schools, because they are large, public, and Canadians aren't quite as prestige-happy as Americans are. (Example, I work with a brilliant lady who lived in both Montreal and Toronto, and she thought nothing of going to the U of Calgary only because she had family there.) </p>
<p>So even very good Canadian students often go to whichever university is closest or most convenient. Therefore, you're not going to get the same egghead magnet effect (EFE) that you do in the States, where a lot of the top students from all over the country get drawn to a relatively small # of schools. So you wouldn't expect their SAT scores, for example, to be as high as at comparable US colleges...because they are serving more of a local group (especially Toronto) instead of a hand-picking from the cream of the national crop. However, when they pick faculty, these 2 universities really are picking from the cream of the North American--and even world--crop. So their faculties would have gaudier stats to compare to American colleges than would their students. </p>
<p>Having stumbled through all that, I'm guessing comparably ranked American schools would be Cornell on the high end, Michigan in the middle, and North Carolina on the low end.</p>
<p>probably around NYU</p>
<p>Sounds about right; between 30 and 40.</p>
<p>and selectivity? what would be a comparable school?</p>
<p>Sorry, I meant EME (egghead magnet effect). If you buy the lack of undergrad EME in Canada, you'll accept the concept of their undergrads being relatively underselective (compared to comparable american colleges); their grad students being about comparably selective; and their faculties being perhaps even more selective (because top Canadian colleges are in great safe cities, and have lots of Oxbridge profs, opening up a whole new frontier of collaboration for the profs.) So undergrad selectivity is probably along the lines of Wisconsin, Boston U, or NYU.</p>
<p>it's a somehwat hard question to answer because fundamentally the Canadian post secondary school system does not have the same mission as American schools. </p>
<p>however that being said, if selectivity was not a factor and we ranked on academics and quality of faculty then Cornell is a good indicator for both Mcgill and Toronto. in the grad programs both school I would say are better. However when selectivity is added yes NYU is more comparable.</p>
<p>So which one is more accurate? I would say Cornell because the Canadian system is geared to open up undegraduate positions not make them selective, so the schools should not suffer for the public policy of the government and education ministries. </p>
<p>And overall you'll find your education more similar to a Cornell grad than to a NYU grad.</p>
<p>Well, u don't need to even ask this question:</p>
<p>If you look at Times ranking of world schools, which is the most widely accepted international university ranking, you will see that McGill ranks 13th in North America. </p>
<p>So it's 13th. (Toronto is 16 or 19 or something like that)</p>
<p>I also think that McGill would rank close to Cornell.</p>
<p>in regards to us news rankings likely somewhere in the mid to high 30's. yet, other international rankings focused more on research and publishing should deff have it ranked in the top 20 universities in north america.</p>
<p>What really hurts McGill is funding and endowment. Over the years, McGill's funding has practically disapeared and its endowment ($750 million), for a university with well over 30,000 students, is pathetic. Still, it has an excellent faculty, a great reputation and is located in the heart of a great city. I would compare McGill to UCLA.</p>
<p>Cornell (Number 13) ... would be the correct rank for McGill if everything is taken into account. So I agree with the Times Higher Education rankings.</p>
<p>UPenn (Number 4) ... would be the correct rank if only prestige is taken into consideration (especially international prestige).</p>
<p>I would say 25-30 around the likes of UMich and UNC and Tufts</p>
<p>If Cornell ranks somewhat the same as McGill (if everything's taken account), why is McGill less "prestigious" than Cornell? Is it primarily b/c of school type + funding + and Cornell being Ivy League while McGill is in Canada?</p>
<p>Why does it matter?</p>
<p>According to my dad, it's about the level of Boston University. But many CC'ers may see this as bad. I actually think BU's better than people give it credit for.</p>
<p>But prestige-wise, McGill is one of the most recognizible Canadian schools around here. So in that sense, it would be more like Tufts or Georgetown. I have a friend who's going to McGill next year.</p>
<p>I think McGill is on par with Tufts and Vanderbilt but it is much bigger and has a different "feel". It is comparable in quality and more similar in "feel" to NYU and Boston U. Maybe comparable in quality to UNC Chapel Hill but different in "feel".</p>
<p>40-60 range</p>
<p>40-60 range....</p>