Which experience is more of a "leadership"?

<p>We just had a dinner table discussion with DD on the matter of college apps, essay themes etc. Since she had never had the time (ot desire ;)) to read any of those college admissions books which I bought for her sometime around her 10th grade and eventually learned them by heart myself :wink: - and neither does she have time to read cc - I tried to pour on her some of the common “college admissions wisdom” I gained from those sourses. We discussed how much the colleges like the applicants who demonstrate “leadership”. </p>

<p>I remember myself wincing every time I saw this word on every page of “A” Is For Admission" or some such book - how on earth, thought I, my shy, introverted, not-so-social kid with no leader’s inclinations whatsoever would demonstrate it? No chance. Surprisingly, by her senior year my D has had a few episods and experiences which qualify easily for a decent “leadership” essay or at least a line in her applications. We just couldn’t agree with DD, which one would qualify more.:wink: Would the experienced college-bound kids’ parents enlighten me on the dilemma? :)</p>

<li>She is a president of one club and a co-president of another. Mostly, her functions include some bureaucrasy work and some events organisation. At one of her clubs, last year she had another position - “activity manager”, which required much more (than the “president” position) of her “moral stamina” (which she doesn’t have much of:() - she was responsible for contacting the places where the club intended to give performances for the community.</li>
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<p>2.At her competitive, math and science-dominated h/s she at some point insisted on re-introducing of the “National Exam” - the contest in foreign language which at some point her school discontinued participating in. She talked her teacher into having participation back - therefore, some of her fellow students participated and won various prizes. The fact that my D won twice, didn’t hurt, too. :wink: And those winnings got their foreign language teacher’s name into the “hall of fame” on that contest’s web-site. </p>

<li><p>Then there was a brand-new linguistic contest which she talked her school officials into participate in (and proctor it, too). That involved trying hard to catch those officials at their offices and around school - in odd times, before or after classes, in the most stressful time of the school year (spring) - and make them promise the classroom, the computer and the school-appointed adult person as a proctor. She did her best in advertising that contest among her schoolmates … and succeeded in getting two more (besides herself) people to compete. :wink: She and one of the two other her school’s participants got ones of the best 20 results in the country.</p></li>
<li><p>She is a section leader in her school choir and there was a long period of time when she became a temporary choir conductor - because the teacher was sick and somebody ought to do it.</p></li>
<li><p>There was a “silly” episode in her school life - which we couldn’t agree on whether it could count as a “leadership” :wink: - she was in 8th grade and attended language classes at the neighboring high school (having finished with all the middle school-level studies in that language); her friend was a sofomore in the same school; they both had the same language teacher who turned out to be completely incompetent :(. At some moment her friend and she became so much fed up with that “teaching style”, that they started a virtual “society” of “actually learning the language” ;). They created some “hand-outs” with all the material which, by their estimations, they ought to have learned by that time of the year; some mailing list of their respective classmates who were interested in getting those hand-outs and their (my D’s and her friend’s) expertise :wink: help in learning all the material. </p></li>
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<p>Which of the listed above experiences would you (in adcom shoes :)) see as a better “demonstration of a leadership”? Which would you choose (or advice your kids to choose) for an essay theme to come across as a “leader”? ;)</p>

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<p>I would advise my child to write about whichever one SHE chooses to write about. The essay should be about the student's perception of her qualities, not about what the college might expect. Your daughter should write about the activity that she feels the most commitment to and the most passion for. Heck...if it's leading the basket weaving club and that's what she is passionate about, it will make her essay shine. If she picks something "to come across as a "leader", and it's really not something SHE cares as much about, her essay will not be as compelling. It is my STRONG OPINION (and yes, it's my opinion) that students should write their essays based on what they feel is important. I feel the same way about choosing ECs...the STUDENT should love the EC, not try to pick something that they think will make them a great college candidate. Am I making sense?</p>

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<p>Yes, you do. :) The problem is, all the experiences listed above are related to the fields she is (equally) really passionate about: music and languages/linguistics. She (or I) wouldn't even remember to list any other kind of experienses, non-related to her main interests. ;) So, having her genuine passion as a given in all her pursuites listed above, it's unclear which one is more "sellable" to the adcoms. You wouldn't deny the importance of an ability to "sell" oneself in the world of increasingly competitive admissions, would you? ;)</p>

<p>She is ambivalent about it herself: one day, she came up with essays ideas about some of those episodes and even wrote one essay about choir conductig - and then she became dissatisfied with it ... and killed it.:( Now she is thinking about writing it again. Or, for another essay, she chose linguistic contest theme, but refused to mention any of her "leadership" role in it - just wrote about her interest for the subject. And she insists that only "club officers" or other self-evident "leading-people" positions (such as a musical conductor) count as the "leadership" - not the unofficial efforts leading to existance of previously unexistant opportunities (such as organising language contests in the "technocracy-leaning" school). Which I strongly disagree with. ;)</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure she can write well on any topic, if it's related to her. ;) And all of the listed above ones ARE related. The choice is all hers, but I tried to widen her somewhat limited perception of the "leadership" concept. My question is: did I try wright or wrong? ;)</p>

<p>Found this through another website

[quote]
What is Leadership?</p>

<p>As defined by the UCLA Alumni Scholarship Program:</p>

<p>Individual Qualities</p>

<p>Shows initiative, takes charge, sets priorities. </p>

<p>Displays intelligence, good judgment, confidence and self-knowledge. </p>

<p>Accepts responsibilities willingly and eagerly. </p>

<p>Demonstrates courage, resolution, and steadiness. </p>

<p>Manages, decides, and sets priorities. </p>

<p>Exhibits perseverance, ingenuity, creativity, and dynamism in solving problems. </p>

<p>Seeks opportunities and surmounts obstacles, including challenging the status quo. </p>

<p>Group Leadership</p>

<p>Sets an example thru commitment and action. </p>

<p>Works collaboratively with others. </p>

<p>Guides changes and improvements. </p>

<p>Makes plans, motivates, follows thru and guides the participation of others so that all will benefit. </p>

<p>Delegates, trains and shares the responsibility and the credit. </p>

<p>Demonstrates selflessness and consideration of others. </p>

<p>Assesses potential in others. </p>

<p>Shows understanding of followers/constituents, and their needs. </p>

<p>Skilled in dealing with people, shows social perceptiveness. </p>

<p>Able to win and hold trust. </p>

<p>Exhibits adaptability and flexibility in approach. </p>

<p>You don't have to achieve EVERY quality, but make sure you MENTION every quality you achieved in your application essay.

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<p>She might be able to start by listing the above sorts of HS examples she chooses and expanding on one or more- sort of an I have done ..., I am most...specifics. Again, HER choice. Mentioning several deeds and expanding on one shows her ability to take charge when needed. Don't worry about her being introverted- remember the highly gifted are more often introverted than not. I would give her a printout of the points in your original post and let her read them on her own. Some very/extremely capable students don't realize that what they have done is out of the ordinary, showing her another person's perspective may be what she needs to appreciate her talent. Son went to a summer middle school leadership GT week or two course one summer- there are many ways of showing leadership, including your daughter's. Sounds like she may also want to do a perfect job on the essay, tell her to relax/not worry, Just cross posted with the above- an excellent posting to show your D. Good luck to her. You are doing the right thing by pointing things out.</p>

<p>Some of those things could be best expressed in a letter of recommendation -- such as from the foreign language teacher who she cajoled into participating in the National Exam, resulting in the teacher's "hall of fame status"; or the choir director who was able to rely on her when the teacher was too ill to fulfill the role.</p>

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<p>I guess, they could. :) But how do we know they will be? ;) (Yes, that language teacher does write most of her recs wherever they are allowed (not in UCs, for example), and the choir teacher have agreed to write her extra-rec letter wherever supplemental non-academic recommendations are allowed.) So, is it a bad choice for en essay theme if the same information could come from the teachers?</p>

<p>If you know that something will definitely be covered by a teacher in the letter, then it is best to use the essay to highlight something different. My kids' teachers showed them the letters they wrote, so that wasn't an issue for us.</p>

<p>Here's the problem: an essay isn't a brag sheet, and doesn't work well if it comes off as bragging -- so it can be difficult to work some things in -- although for the UC's, the split-topic essay is actually a help. </p>

<p>Anyway, I agree with the others that the essay topic needs to come from the kid -- so its kind of hands off as far as suggestions helpful facts to put in her essay in any case. If she chooses to write about how she wanted more than her schools offered for language study, and then weaves together parts #5, #2 & #3 of your post to tell a great story about how she took it on herself to fill all the gaps ... that's great! But the essay that you think would be perfect might not be the one she chooses to write.</p>

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<p>I would let your daughter choose and write HER essay. Once it's written, she can share it with you, but the choice of the topic needs to come from her. </p>

<p>My kids wrote about what they felt showed their voice, passion and interest. To be honest, they were trying to write a decent essay, not sell themselves to the adcoms. Their bend on it was that if the essay was well written it WOULD appeal to the adcoms. I agree. They didn't pick the topic to sell to the adcoms. They wrote great essays (and yes, I did see them AFTER they were written). Their essays spoke more about THEM than about the "activity"...in other words, they wrote about an experience but their voice was heard loud and clear in the essays, not just the experience relating itself. In both of my kids' cases, their essays could have been about multiple things. I had absolutely no hand in the decision about what to write about. It was up to the kids....as I think it should be. </p>

<p>I wish the OPs daughter was a junior. One thing I strongly suggest is getting a head start on the writing of the essay during the summer of junior year. I don't mean WRITING it...just getting ideas down. The nice thing about word processing and computers is you can start a WORD document and just add to it. Even as a senior, however...if the OP's daughter isn't sure about which topic, perhaps she can start jotting down ideas about multiple ones and add to them over a week or two. I would venture a guess that one topic will rise to the top as "the" topic for the essay.</p>