<p>I want to know mostly for business programs but overall is pretty good too. I am split between these three schools.</p>
<p>For business: Wharton
Dartmouth
Brown/Penn</p>
<p>^ actually, that’s not what I’ve observed. i think Dartmouth sends more to grad business schools than Penn does, based on ratio and proportion. i have this impression that many Wharton undergrads don’t really go to grad business schools because their undergrad business degree is a stand-alone degree - able to get them into high paying jobs. that also probably explains why Wharton didn’t rank number 1 in the Businessweek ranking for grad placement. again, just my observation. i’d rank them:
- dartmouth
- brown / penn</p>
<p>The differences between these three schools is likely so tiny that it’s probably negligible. You really can’t go wrong with any of these school.s</p>
<p>^^^ I agree. Students with solid credentials coming from any of those schools will have similar opportunity. The relative success will br driven by the individual student, not the distinctions between these particular school.s</p>
<p>Grad placement based on what?</p>
<p>For law schools, Penn is probably the winner. It is the 4th most represented undergrad at Harvard law school, ahead of even Princeton, and it got 9/68 students accepted to Yale Law last year (more than Brown and Dartmouth). It is heavily represented at all top-10 law schools.</p>
<p>For medical schools, the situation is similar, although this may be skewed by the fact that Penn Medical School is top-3 and accepts a high percentage of Penn students. Still, they have terrific placement at other top-10 schools: Hopkins, Harvard, WashU, UW, Stanford, etc.</p>
<p>The business front is different - relatively few Wharton undergrads ever decide to get MBAs (I think fewer than 30%), so it’s hard to gauge. But they are by and large EXTREMELY successful in being recruited to top firms. As are students in the college. Still, Dartmouth may win in this regard.</p>
<p>^Are you adjusting for size?</p>
<p>Sorry, I missed the grad school part. Thought the OP was asking about jobs in business. Wharton grads indeed often don’t get MBAs, though I’m a Wharton grad with one.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter! Moreover, I think its not a good use of your parent’s money nor a good use of your brain nor a good use of a great educational opportunity to get a bachelors in business if you intend to get an MBA anyway.</p>
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<p>Yes; based on the numbers of those who apply, not the institution itself. Engineers, Whartonites and nursing students don’t generally apply to law school. A few engineers apply to med school.</p>
<p>hmom, for jobs in business for these schools, how much differencce is going to brown/penn than dartmouth…in relation to how many people actually aim for these jobs</p>
<p>It’s hard to say. The bottom line is that Dartmouth has long been pre professional and has an outstanding network in banking, consulting and corporate America.</p>
<p>Where’s the data to support an opinion? The only public numbers I’ve seen are from that WSJ “feeder school” study a few years ago, which ranked Dartmouth, Brown, and Penn 7 ,12, and 16 respectively. </p>
<p>Dartmouth: 93 placements from a class of 1101
Brown: 98 placements from a class of 1501
Penn: 153 placements from a class of 2785</p>
<p>(these represent placements to a basket of 15 top law, med, and biz schools; they do not seem to take into account the number of applications, only the number of matriculating students in the sample year)</p>
<p>For arts and sciences (economics, etc.) it may be a different picture altogether. The top 10 for social science Ph.D. production have included several small LACs, Chicago, and Harvard, but none of the above.
(<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/phd.html[/url]”>http://www.reed.edu/ir/phd.html</a>)</p>
<p>The WSJ study is statistical garbage, as many people know. It only surveyed 5 schools from each area (as opposed to the entire top-10), and often included schools that aren’t really elite graduates (for example, it used Yale and Columbia over UCSF, Stanford, WashU or Penn for medicine, when those were all ranked MUCH higher (and had many more Penn grads, for that matter)). A truly informative study would have surveyed all top-10 schools in a field, as opposed to a hodge-podge of the top-15.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Penn has 2430 in each class, NOT 2780, which makes a huge difference - presumably this includes the extension school, but since the survey failed to do this for Harvard and Columbia, I hardly see how that’s defensible.
They also completely fail to take into account applications, which is totally absurd.</p>
<p>The PhD list suffers from the same flaw - many Ivy Leaguers have no intention of joining the ranks of academia. There should be another list that measured acceptances to top grad programs compared to the number of applicants: guaranteed that all three schools would crack the top-10.</p>
<p>Anyone arguing for a strong advantage for any of these schools for placement is pretty much wrong.</p>
<p>Once you’re looking at schools like UPenn, Dartmouth, and Brown it’s up to you as a student to do well and get yourself into these programs. There’s no more advantage to squeeze out between going to one school or the other.</p>
<p>That being said, what do you mean by graduate school for business? I find that high schoolers are often confused about what an MBA is, do they actually want one, and what other options exist to study that kind of thing. FWIW, Brown offers no traditional business education. The closest thing we have is Commerce, Organizations, and Entrepreneurship.</p>
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<p>Translation: Penn does not look good in the WSJ study.</p>
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As Wharton, itself, confirms:</p>
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<p>[Wharton</a> Top 10](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/UnderGrad/Experience/Wharton-Top-10.htm]Wharton”>http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/UnderGrad/Experience/Wharton-Top-10.htm)</p>
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Even the Wall Street Journal acknowledged one of the study’s flaws that negatively impacted Penn’s ranking:</p>
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<a href=“http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf[/url]”>http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf</a></p>
<p>Few would dispute that Penn’s medical school is one of the top 5 in the country.</p>
<p>Also, as muerteapablo points out, Penn’s full-time graduating class is closer to 2,400, and not the 2,785 used in the WSJ study (not to mention the pre-professional Wharton/Nursing/Engineering component of Penn’s graduating class that further skews the results in comparison to schools with only liberal arts graduates).</p>
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<p>Honey, Dartmouth and Columbia did pretty poorly, too. Do you honestly think that Wellesley has better placement than Penn? Let’s get real here.</p>
<p>I strongly agree with those expressing the view that the differences in placement strength among these three colleges is negligible. Employers know the strength of the students that come out of these schools and don’t greatly differentiate. </p>
<p>The workplace reality is that most employers do not make large distinctions among many top colleges and certainly nothing on the scale of differences that are found in the academic Peer Assessment scoring. Furthermore, there is also a geograpic component to the student/graduate comparisons as many of the most prestigious and highly rated colleges would compare much less strongly in distant regions and against the local private and public powers.</p>
<p>Some time back, I crafted an Employer Assessment which was my attempt to present an opinion and contrast it with the PA scoring of USNWR. Unquestionably there are subsets, eg, engineering, where there would be differences with these overall perceptions, but I think that the scoring displays a much more realistic relationship between Top 50 colleges and the overall quality differences that most employers perceive. </p>
<p>5.0 Caltech
5.0 Harvard
5.0 MIT
5.0 Princeton
5.0 Stanford
5.0 U Penn-Wharton
5.0 Yale</p>
<p>4.9 Columbia
4.9 Dartmouth
4.9 Duke
4.9 U Chicago</p>
<p>4.8 Brown
4.8 Cornell
4.8 Northwestern
4.8 Notre Dame
4.8 Rice
4.8 U Penn
4.8 Vanderbilt
4.8 Wash U</p>
<p>4.7 Georgetown
4.7 Georgia Tech
4.7 U Virginia
4.7 UC Berkeley</p>
<p>4.6 Carnegie Mellon
4.6 Emory
4.6 Johns Hopkins
4.6 Tufts
4.6 U Texas
4.6 UCLA
4.6 Wake Forest</p>
<p>4.5 Boston College
4.5 U Michigan
4.5 U North Carolina
4.5 USC
4.5 W&M</p>
<p>4.4 Brandeis
4.4 Lehigh
4.4 NYU
4.4 Penn State
4.4 Tulane
4.4 U Illinois
4.4 U Rochester
4.4 U Wisconsin
4.4 UCSD</p>
<p>4.3 Case Western
4.3 Rensselaer
4.3 U Florida
4.3 U Washington</p>
<p>4.2 UC Davis
4.2 UC Irvine</p>
<p>4.1 UC Santa Barbara
4.1 Yeshiva</p>
<p>yeah that basically makes sense, although I’d find it hard to believe that UChicago has stronger placement power than Brown or Penn, or that those schools have less than Duke.</p>