<p>Somebody told me employers prefer columbia college. However, that doesn't seem right to me.....seems a little biased....so I wanted to get a real answer on this forum. </p>
<p>Don't SEAS kids get the same recruiters as columbia college? And I would think SEAS kids could go to Harvard law just as a CC grad would? Do Law schools prefer CC or SEAS?</p>
<p>In most cases I don't think there's much of a difference.</p>
<p>I think investment banks make a higher % of offers to College kids because they find the type of personality they're looking for more often. But the SEAS kids get their feet in the door with equal regularity and can get offers if earned.</p>
<p>Outside of that, they're essentially treated as equivalent because almost nobody realizes there's two schools. They look at the university and the major.</p>
<p>"I think investment banks make a higher % of offers to College kids"</p>
<p>are you saying that relative to applications or relative to the other school? Because CC would get more offers just by virtue of it having more kids, and more kids that apply to banks in the first place. But as a percentage of students who apply from each school, i've heard the opposite, that seas kids are preferred because they're trained to work harder, are more comfortable with numbers and more analytical. But i agree that in general companies only see university and major, as they should because on average little difference exists between the students of the two schools. Well differences might exist but on balance they're equally as employable.</p>
<p>relative to the other school. and yes, you'd have sheer numerical superiority either way... hence my statement that a lower % of SEAS ibanking-job-seekers get offers than CC ibanking-job-seekers. Ratios, man. See what I did there? :)</p>
<p>I've heard it put many times this way...</p>
<p>On average your SEAS kid is going to have better SAT's/GPA. The average CC kid is more well rounded. BUT, almost without a doubt, the most brilliant mathematician, physicist, etc will be in the College. And I'm sure there's a lot more from CC to Harvard Law etc. just simply because Law school is based on GPA/LSAT and CC has higher GPA.</p>
<p>Why don't people just ask questions, rather than preface their questions with something they heard from some unnamed person?</p>
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<p>This all you need to know.</p>
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BUT, almost without a doubt, the most brilliant mathematician, physicist, etc will be in the College.
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<p>um...what? </p>
<p>im not going to argue semantics with you (since seas doesnt have a physics or math major) but we'll take something a bit closer: Comp sci.
the seas comp sci dept gets more papers published in prestigious journals and get more acceptances to prestigious conferences than their cc counterpart.</p>
<p>seriously tho...the most brilliant physicist will be in cc? OF COURSE THEY WILL BE! if they are a brilliant anything they will go to the major they fit best in...a brilliant mechanical engineer wont study theoretical physics....</p>
<p>god that statement just hurts my brain.</p>
<p>Wait... how are there two separate Comp Sci faculties? Isn't it all one?</p>
<p>Yep, there's just one CS department at CU. The only difference between a CS major in CC and a CS major in SEAS is the course requirements(I believe SEAS has a lot more CS requirements, due to CC having the Core). The papers are published by faculty in the department, who teach both CC and SEAS students in the same exact classes.</p>
<p>i agree with skraylor about the physics/mathematican comment hurting brains, but even so i've met more crazy, smart as f*k, math and physics kids doing applied math and applied physics than i have pure math and phy majors. and ofcourse most seas kids are focused on the engineering.</p>
<p>i would agree that the most ridiculous people in 2801/2 physics seemed to be in seas, as were the monsters in honors math. of course, this is only based off of my year so it might change from class to class.</p>
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Yep, there's just one CS department at CU. The only difference between a CS major in CC and a CS major in SEAS is the course requirements(I believe SEAS has a lot more CS requirements, due to CC having the Core). The papers are published by faculty in the department, who teach both CC and SEAS students in the same exact classes.
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<p>from what i understand the main faculty is the same but the adjunct profs for each are different. i could be wrong, im not a cs major but it's what i've been told</p>
<p>I was a CS minor and i'm pretty sure it's a joint faculty. If there are differences in the course requirement lists between the two majors, they are minor, because while CC has more liberal-arts core classes, SEAS students have engineering core classes in roughly the same amount.</p>
<p>There are bigger differences between the "tracks" in CS... Graphics track, Systems track, AI track, etc.</p>
<p>as someone who was pre-comp sci, while it's the same department, the majors are very different
CC's comp sci major is a lot lighter. there's about 15-20 ish credit difference between the two majors (SEAS CS and CC CS)
CC's comp sci core is 3 classes short from SEAS's (computational LA, scientific comp and prob/stats).. nothing terribly important though
and from what I can see the tracks are almost cut in half (12 - 15 credits instead of 10 classes)
making it a much lighter load.</p>
<p>now given that college is more liberal arts oriented, they have a heavier core and they gain a BA degree, it makes sense that the major is structured like this. but in my opinion you can graduate from SEAS comp sci program with competency equivalent (or at least comparable) to that of a graduate student (indeed many of my comp sci senior friends are only a few classes short of a graduate degree had they been able to count the credits for it) while college's comp sci program is really just an introduction to the study.</p>
<p>CC >>>>> SEAS. Everyone knows that the SEAS kids had a MUCH easier time getting into Columbia. Don't kid yourselves: the acceptance rate lingers around 20%.
SEAS SAT scores are NOT better than CC SAT scores. This is simply a fallacy.
Prestige goes to the CCers.
HOWEVER: In terms of opportunity (and we're not talking about opportunity to talk at a cocktail party), I would think that SEAS have as good if not a better time at seeking competitive employment. The fact of the matter is that an engineering education is invaluable, and with a good GPA and people skills for the interview, you can be gainfully employed immediately following college.
Plus, you can make fun of the CC kids about how they work comparatively little yet complain anyway.</p>
<p>^DISCLAIMER: here's a cornell engineering student, who seems to know little about columbia, but for some reason would love to serve as an authority.</p>
<p>"Everyone knows that the SEAS kids had a MUCH easier time getting into Columbia... SEAS SAT scores are NOT better than CC SAT scores"</p>
<p>it's true that seas acceptance rates are higher, but CC's lower acceptance rates don't translate into end statistics. Because engineering schools are self selective. the proportion of students graduating in the top 10% of hs class are more or less the same, average sat score for seas acceptees was 1480, average for the college is around 1440.</p>
<p>Engineering</a> News - Fall 2007
Columbia</a> University Office of Undergraduate Admissions - Admission Statistics</p>
<p>the other reason i say seas kids are as smart/smarter, is qualitatively because i've been in classes with students from both schools, and they do as well (both science and humanity classes), I also met equal numbers of super geniuses from each school, and equal proportions of dumb kids from each school. if you must, have people on this forum tell you if they agree.</p>
<p>As a current student, I assure you SEAS kids get just as many offers from banks as CC kids, if not more. I'm pretty sure the percentage of SEAS students going into finance is higher than that of CC students. I'm in CC, btw.</p>
<p>haha muerteapablo has no idea what he's talking about.</p>
<p>WHOAWHOAWHOA</p>
<p>You are wrong as usual confidentialcoll. You always inflate statistics:
"average sat score for seas acceptees was 1480, average for the college is around 1440."</p>
<p>Now read this:
"The average SAT score for accepted College students was 1428 last year. The average score for the accepted students in SEAS was 1440."
Columbia</a> University Admissions 2008 </p>
<p>That's a 10 point difference.
This year, it's changed drastically to: CC - 1431 SEAS - 1469, but still different from you clearly BS numbers. You round up to the nearest 80?</p>
<p>If you're an engineer, you should probably take a stats class.</p>
<p>Anyway, Lvilleslacker, you're kind of right that I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just can't take this abuse from confidentialcoll lying down.</p>
<p>Actually, what I think matters is the scores of the students who actually attend, not the scores of those admitted. The former number is certainly different from the latter--in what way, I don't know--but it is the actual students in the College and SEAS who are in your classes and who are seen by potential employers.</p>