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<p>What gives you the notion that there are relatively more "TAs" at Harvard than there are at Yale, or that they "teach classes" more frequently at Harvard than they do at Yale? This happens not to be true. </p>

<p>There is a very large group of TAs at Yale - many of whom, apparently, feel abused and overworked to the point where they are trying to unionize.</p>

<p>Here is an exerpt from a story in the Yale daily News for Dec. 15, 2004:</p>

<p>"TAs support union, according to GESO card count
University maintains stance that grad students are not employees</p>

<p>BY JULIE POST
Staff Reporter</p>

<p>About 60 percent of Yale's graduate teaching assistants who are teaching this semester support graduate student unionization, according to a Graduate Employees and Student Organization membership card count, the results of which were released at GESO's membership meeting Tuesday. The vote, however, did not sway University administrators, who said they would maintain a stance against graduate student unionization.</p>

<p>Although GESO officials would not release the vote totals from the 12-week membership card count Tuesday evening, Connecticut Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz '83 confirmed the majority percentage at 4:30 p.m. Tuesday at a press event at First and Summerfield Methodist Church. She was joined by Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal LAW '73, U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, New Haven Mayor John DeStefano Jr. -- all Democrats -- and Greater New Haven Central Labor Council President Robert Proto at the GESO announcement.</p>

<p>Bysiewicz's confirmation that a majority of graduate teaching assistants support unionization means that the University can opt to voluntarily recognize GESO as a union and begin bargaining with GESO over contract terms, GESO officials said.</p>

<p>But Yale President Richard Levin said a ruling last July by the National Labor Relations Board affirms the University's belief that graduate students are principally students and not statutory employees, and therefore have no legal right to form unions.</p>

<p>"The typical grad student teaches three or four semesters over five years," Levin said. "We regard their teaching experience as part of their training and education to pay professors."</p>

<p>Despite the NLRB's ruling that graduate student teaching assistants do not have employee status at private universities, graduate students and researchers at Columbia University joined Yale over the past 12 weeks in its efforts toward gaining union recognition through card count votes. Columbia's graduate student union organizers have also reached a majority in support of unionization, a statement released Tuesday by Columbia graduate student Shannon Clark said.</p>

<p>The membership cards that Bysiewicz counted were signed by those graduate teaching assistants who taught during the fall 2004 semester, Reynolds said. At the meeting, which she estimated was attended by more than 400 people, all GESO members, regardless of whether they are teaching this semester, were given the opportunity to sign membership cards, Reynolds said.</p>

<p>The number of graduate teaching assistants registered to teach for the fall 2004 semester was not available Tuesday evening. Only a limited number of the roughly 2,500 students who are currently enrolled in the Graduate School, including about 2,100 enrolled in the Ph.D. program, are teaching assistants, Yale Graduate School Dean Jon Butler said Tuesday.</p>

<p>While the time that students may serve as teaching assistants varies from program to program, Butler said, students in most of the humanities departments teach during their third or fourth year. Yale's median time it takes students to attain Ph.D.s in humanities programs is 7.2 years, according to the school's data."</p>

<p>Byerly does not actually back up his statment with citing the YDN article:</p>

<p>"What gives you the notion that there are relatively more "TAs" at Harvard than there are at Yale, or that they "teach classes" more frequently at Harvard than they do at Yale? This happens not to be true. "</p>

<p>Where is your proof that this happens not to be true because I didn't see it in the article you quoted.</p>

<p>Also to women considering going to harvard, think twice as President Summers believes in genetic ceilings for your potential in the math/science fields. Here's the NYtimes article. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Harvard-President.html?hp&ex=1106024400&en=fa5a0e57c4fb66e5&ei=5094&partner=homepage%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Harvard-President.html?hp&ex=1106024400&en=fa5a0e57c4fb66e5&ei=5094&partner=homepage&lt;/a> </p>

<p>As a graduate of both yale (undergrad branford) and harvard (HMS), I can say both have their merits and faults and it is really up to your personality to choose which is right for you. However, I warn you applicants not to choose a school on prestige. The name "Harvard" or "Yale" are only traps for insecurities, which will perpetuate until you separate your identity from the meaningless USNEWS rank list. What you do at college will matter infinitely more.</p>

<p>Crimson bulldog: What are you trying to pull with that user name? You can't have both!</p>

<p>Byerly: crimsonbulldog (despite his absurd name) is right; all that article sets up is a false vibe that you're abusing. Besides, even if it were true, what you just did is a clear indication that you care way too much. No one searches the presses with your ferver. I have a proposition byerly: Why don't you tell us a weakness about Harvard undergrad? I'm sure a lot of people would like to hear this...</p>

<p>Harvard: completely rules in opportunities available: ...research...city...grad schools...residential system...</p>

<p>Princeton: nice undergrad focus, but not nice research, city, eating clubs, residential system</p>

<p>I wouldn't go to California. That's too far away.</p>

<p>Yale sucks. New Haven sucks. The residential colleges are quite nice, but are not as good as Harvard's, so they suck.</p>

<p>In the end, go to all of them and make a pick. Rate them all, scale them, quantitate them, and don't forget about the intangible "feel" of the school, too.</p>

<p>darmani --- uhhhhh.... did you even read crimsonbulldog's post??? it clearly states that he/she is a graduate of yale (undergrad) and harvard (grad.). So it does make sense, and you can have both.</p>

<p>Byerly --- please, I also take you up on darmani's request.</p>

<p>sprezzatura: even so, this isn't like a dual citizenship (something I happen to have myself). This is a rivalry older than the country. To nonchalantly be a crimson bulldog completely ignores its inherent paradox. It's like saying Kashmir belongs to both countries. Ok thats too much, but he/she is stepping in ominous territory (Its funny that I talk like I know so much about this... oh well).</p>

<p>Byerly: rereading my post, it might have been insensitive; I apologize. But I still stand by my request for your take on Harvard's weaknesses.</p>

<p>In Response to Give me Harvard...</p>

<p>I would argue that Yale's residential college system is slightly better than Harvard's, but that is my opinion. It has a better internal dean advising system for all years (the lack of student advising is a fact at Harvard which the Crimson monthly laments - a reason why they considered changing to the Yale system) and the first years associate with upperclassmen immediately since you are assigned (non-binding) a college your freshman year even though you live on Old Campus. This really makes a difference, and you make older friends who can really help you out with classes and activities and partying during your first year. Also the architecture is phenomenal as are the facilities. You can always switch residential colleges and you are allowed access to all (universal key card) while a student.</p>

<p>Also, you must ask your mother to let you out more so you can actually see the revamped New Haven and realize it is not the dump you think it is. Anyone who has been there in the past few years will support this.</p>

<p>Yes, the Yale residential system IS one of the best around.</p>

<p>I've heard that the advising is much better than it was before at Harvard.</p>

<p>And I did go to New Haven about 8 or 9 months ago, and it's just not the same as Cambridge.</p>

<p>Obviously New Haven is not the same as Cambridge. The numbers and stats (as Byerly can most likely provide for you) clearly show that Cambridge is generally a "safer" city than New Haven. However, there's really no use in trying to compare New Haven to Cambridge by simply looking at numbers. It's just a matter of how one feels in either city. I haven't been to Cambridge so I can't really compare the two, but I can say that I don't feel any less threatened walking around in New Haven than I would in NYC (during the day at least; I'm smart enough to not walk around alone at night). The level of comfort one has living in either city completely depends on the person. Just realize that neither Cambridge nor New Haven is a dump or a ghetto or a sucky city. And that's just my two cents.</p>

<p>keep this thread going!</p>

<p>Here's a crimson op-ed on the housing system at Yale v. Harvard</p>

<p><a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=254752%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=254752&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>