<p>When the Ivy league elitists are losing the argument, they nervously start pulling out and repeating the grad school stats, lmao.</p>
<p>Now lets talk about quality of Engineering Faculty</p>
<p>Number of Faculty Selected to the Prestigious National Academy of Engineering
25 - Princeton
25 - Cornell
19 - Harvard
16 - Columbia
09 - Penn
06 - Yale
04 - Brown
03 - Dartmouth</p>
<p>03 - Notre Dame</p>
<p>so shanka, are you saying that the fact that Princeton’s 73 faculty members selected to the presitgious National Academy of Sciences - ALL OF WHICH ARE REQUIRED TO TEACH UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOL, compared to ZERO faculty members for Notre Dame is about discussing graduate school stats and doesn’t imply something about the quality of undergraduate teaching at Princeton compared to Notre Dame?</p>
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<p>shanka, these students wouldn’t even compare to the best at other LAC’s like:</p>
<p>Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore and Pomona</p>
<p>What makes you think that they would even get close to the best at </p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Columbia?</p>
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<p>Where did I say that Notre Dame was a better school in the sciences than Princeton?</p>
<p>so shanka, when you made the comments below about the Ivies, are you now telling us that you meant to say this for all areas other than the SCIENCES?</p>
<p>Is this what you are saying now?</p>
<p>***from shanka:</p>
<p>“The Ivies are overrated. For undergrad education and experience, atmosphere, ND does not take a back seat to anyone”</p>
<p>" I would put ND up against ANY Ivy in terms of undergraduate education."</p>
<p>“in terms of UNDERGRADUATE education, ND is right up there with any Ivy. The Ivies don’t stress undergrad, its all about graduate research. At ND, its about the undergrad. You are taught by profs at ND, not TAs trying to write their thesis. ND has all the advantages and resources of a major university but teaches in the manner of a small liberal arts college” ***</p>
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<p>the National Academy of Sciences recognizes RESEARCH, not teaching. It rewards research contribution, not teaching quality. Thanks for helping my argument. Its an impressive honor for professors focused more on research than teaching. Nice try.</p>
<p>jersey, it is about that time of day for shanka to bring up the religion/race card again…</p>
<p>just watch</p>
<p>I’m amazed, you managed to include some variety into your ad hominem attacks. I was expecting more “BIGGEST T00LZ ON CC#!$!$!@#!” or “IVY ELITIST DRIVEL@@@@@”.</p>
<p>Oh my goodness, such excellent quotes! I think posters are outdoing themselves in this thread.</p>
<p>A few gems:
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<p>Stay classy, CC!</p>
<p>so shanka, please tell us that you are not saying that the middle level faculty of Notre Dame in the sciences, with ZERO selected to the prestigious National Acedemy of Sciences, are going to teach better research methods and analysis in the SCIENCES than Princeton’s prestigous faculty, 73 of whom have been selected to the Academy and are among the best in their fields in the world?</p>
<p>please tell us that you really are not saying this?</p>
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<p>I’m sure if you dig around, you’ll find quite a few more gems from Shankapotamus :)</p>
<p>warble, this was not my original statement, why in the world would you claim that it is?</p>
<p>"Truman did not attend any university "</p>
<p>Tops Schools based on Salary Scale of graduates/alumni:</p>
<p>Dartmouth College Ivy League $58,200 $129,000
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Engineering $71,100 $126,000
Harvard University Ivy League $60,000 $126,000
Harvey Mudd College Engineering $71,000 $125,000
Stanford University Engineering $67,500 $124,000
Princeton University Ivy League $65,000 $124,000
Colgate University Liberal Arts $51,900 $122,000
University of Notre Dame Private $55,300 $121,000
Yale University Ivy League $56,000 $120,000
University of Pennsylvania Ivy League $60,400 $118,000
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) Engineering $62,500 $116,000
Duke University Private $56,800 $116,000
Bucknell University Engineering $56,100 $116,000
Bucknell University Liberal Arts $56,100 $116,000
California Institute of Technology (CIT) Engineering $69,700 $115,000
Polytechnic Institute of New York University Engineering $62,700 $114,000
Lehigh University Engineering $57,400 $114,000
Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) Engineering $65,300 $113,000
University of California, Berkeley Engineering $57,100 $112,000
University of California, Berkeley State Schools $57,100 $112,000
Santa Clara University Private $58,000 $111,000
Georgetown University Private $57,000 $111,000
Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) Engineering $61,100 $110,000
Swarthmore College Liberal Arts $55,900 $110,000 </p>
<p>as I said before, Notre Dame does not take a back seat to anyone, including the Ivies. Game, set and match.</p>
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Yes because research does not contribute to a school’s elite status but average salary does. You just keep getting smarter and smarter.</p>
<p>so shanka, let me get this straight, you post the average salaries of of a limited number of college graduates who submit their salaries to this service, which excludes any students that go on to graduate schools, including Law, business and Med schools - and in this list ND is below Harvard, Princeton and Yale in starting salaries anyway…</p>
<p>and this proves that</p>
<p>“Notre Dame does not take a back seat to anyone, including the Ivies”</p>
<p>HUH?</p>
<p>Jersey, shanka is continue to prove how little “research” is taught at the undergraduate level at ND, isn’t he?</p>
<p>Top undergraduate schools feeding graduate schools
<a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights;
<p>Notre Dame at an impressive #35</p>
<p>Jersery, it is coming…just wait a short while and shanka is going to come out again with that religion/race card post…</p>
<p>it is coming</p>
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Not to mention it penalizes schools with large number of students majoring in architecture, performing arts, journalism, hotel, music, education…etc and gives unfair advantage to tech schools. It’s not surprising that RPI grads have a higher avg starting salary than Yale grads.</p>