Which range of schools do YOU consider "elite"? HYPSM? Top 20?

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<p>lesbia, what is it here with the attack on Asians?</p>

<p>do you think that you can generalize about ethnic sectors in this biased way of yours?</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064784551-post39.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1064784551-post39.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>so lesdia, speaking of Northwestern and that great instituion known as Michigan, tell us more about how you were viciously attacking these schools here:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063587735-post68.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063587735-post68.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“Northwestern is a fringe top 15 school according to USNWR and is even less well regarded among employers and rich families “in the know”. Michigan isn’t even a top 25 school anymore and for most parents who send their kids to the top NE prep schools, **going to Michigan is tantamount to absolute failure **and it is the “ultimate” safety school in this regard”</p>

<p>kind of odd that you then attempt to protect Northwestern here, isn’t it?</p>

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<p>Lesdia, ouch!..did you really say this?</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063587508-post50.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063587508-post50.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“A Northwestern degree doesn’t have too much value outside the Midwest.”</p>

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<p>Lesdia, and then after you attacked Michigan saying that going to Michigan is tatamount to absolute failure, you say this about Northwestern:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063557864-post14.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063557864-post14.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“Michigan is also essentially as good as Northwestern, so you might as well save your money and go there.”</p>

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<p>Lesdia, did you really say this about Northwestern?</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063555959-post7.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063555959-post7.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“Most Northwestern kids are UChicago rejects…keep that in mind.”</p>

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<p>^^^ wow… you cant argue with her anymore and that’s why you used her older posts?! You are such a loser and you have too much time.</p>

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<p>This thread REALLY needs to die. JA, calm your elitist Princetonian ego. </p>

<p>My Harvard interviewer was a construction worker. Yes, a blue-collar construction worker. I’m not saying that a construction worker isn’t successful to some people, but that career definitely is not the stereotypical “successful” one. </p>

<p>Once you get to a good school, your “success” is defined a lot by YOURSELF, rather than the school you went to, whether it be Princeton or Notre Dame. This thread has gotten out of control.</p>

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<p>I’m amused at how Northwestern is being used for most comparisons…</p>

<p>*Once you get to a good school, your “success” is defined a lot by YOURSELF, rather than the school you went to, whether it be Princeton or Notre Dame. *</p>

<p>So true. </p>

<p>Two years ago, I never believed that. High school competitiveness. <em>sigh</em></p>

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<p>oh my…then comes eatsalot, the Duke student in to protect another Duke student</p>

<p>welcome eatsalot</p>

<p>tell us, do you think these comments from Lesdia, one of your own Dukies, are proper?</p>

<p>FROM LESDIA:</p>

<p>***“Northwestern is a fringe top 15 school according to USNWR and is even less well regarded among employers and rich families “in the know”. Michigan isn’t even a top 25 school anymore and for most parents who send their kids to the top NE prep schools, going to Michigan is tantamount to absolute failure and it is the “ultimate” safety school in this regard”</p>

<p>“A Northwestern degree doesn’t have too much value outside the Midwest.” </p>

<p>“Michigan is also essentially as good as Northwestern, so you might as well save your money and go there.” </p>

<p>“Most Northwestern kids are UChicago rejects…keep that in mind.” </p>

<p>“The OP must be a prestige-obsessed Asian international. This takes the cake for the worst college decision I’ve ever seen made”***</p>

<p>“Caltech is not better than Duke…”</p>

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<p>I believe that this title ‘elite’ depends on your interests… If you’re interested in engineering even UCB, UIUC and Georgia Tech are elite schools. I believe the definition of elite should vary according to different interests.
and it is certainly interesting how some people are saying that every Ivy can be considered an elite school.</p>

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<p>Unfortunately for us Ivy League students, John Adams has destroyed any chance for us to insist we’re not stuck up. Please don’t think of him as a representative of any Ivy, the large majority of students at these schools are not bullies who take pleasure in attacking others.</p>

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<p>Looks like someone has an anger management problem???</p>

<p>It’s unfortunate that many Ivy proponents are unwilling to accept the reality that there are plenty of good schools around the USA, many of which are their equal and which are actually preferred by many students around the USA. Northwestern is one of those schools. So is Notre Dame. And I could easily name a dozen others.</p>

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<p>JA, I would answer “all of the above”</p>

<p>also, another way to look at “elite” would be the ability of the school to raise money, ie, voluntary donations which would imply alumni success, regard for the school, overall prestige…BTW , Duke does eat JHUs dust here…</p>

<p>( Go Blue Jays ! ):</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford University ($640.11 million)</li>
<li>Harvard University ($601.64 million)</li>
<li>Cornell University ($446.75 million)</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania ($439.77 million)</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University ($433.39 million)</li>
<li>Columbia University ($413.36 million)</li>
<li>University of Southern California ($368.98 million)</li>
<li>Yale University ($358.15 million)</li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles ($351.69 million)</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin-Madison ($341.81 million)</li>
<li>New York University ($334.79 million)</li>
<li>University of Washington ($323.55 million)</li>
<li>Massachusetts Institute of Technology ($319.07 million)</li>
<li>Duke University ($301.65 million)</li>
<li>University of California, San Francisco ($300.42 million)</li>
<li>University of Minnesota ($272.35 million)</li>
<li>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill ($270.11 million)</li>
<li>University of Michigan ($263.33 million)</li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley ($255.10 million)</li>
<li>University of Chicago ($248.80 million)</li>
</ol>

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<p>^^ Sure, pick the measure in which your school is ranked highest and then use as a measure of eliteness.</p>

<p>“Duke does eat JHUs dust here…”</p>

<p>And so are MIT, Columbia, Yale, Berkeley, Michigan, and UChicago. Also, Dartmouth and Brown are less elite than UNC and UMinnesota. GOOD JOB!</p>

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<p>blue,
A more relevant number is how much in endowment a college has and how many students it has to cover with it, ie, the per capita endowment. Grad students “cost” considerably more to cover, but it varies from school to school, so it’s hard to make exact comparisons. </p>

<p>For a general comparison, I calculated the per capita endowment (undergrad and grad students) for schools ranked in the USNWR Top 75 national universities and the USNWR Top 40 LACs. Below are the rankings for the Top 50 Endowments Per Capita. Johns Hopkins did not make the list (it ranked # 69 with a per capita of $ 99,552). </p>

<pre><code>Per Capita Endowment on 6/30/09 School
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<p>1 $1,682,581 , Princeton
2 $1,426,437 , Yale
3 $1,334,480 , Harvard
4 $870,680 , Pomona
5 $769,560 , Amherst
6 $757,500 , Swarthmore
7 $707,121 , Stanford
8 $689,025 , Williams
9 $662,185 , Rice
10 $657,591 , Caltech
11 $641,389 , Grinnell
12 $540,289 , Wellesley
13 $483,053 , Dartmouth
14 $417,296 , Notre Dame
15 $416,307 , W&L
16 $411,383 , U Richmond
17 $411,278 , U Chicago
18 $399,526 , Bowdoin
19 $353,538 , Smith
20 $339,352 , Emory
21 $329,795 , Claremont McK
22 $315,842 , Duke
23 $305,934 , Wash U
24 $299,070 , Bryn Mawr
25 $295,440 , Northwestern
26 $287,499 , Haverford
27 $287,333 , Macalester
28 $285,004 , Middlebury
29 $275,529 , Vassar
30 $271,876 , U Penn
31 $262,747 , Harvey Mudd
32 $261,120 , Hamilton
33 $258,655 , Carleton
34 $254,044 , Columbia
35 $245,257 , Colby
36 $243,339 , U TEXAS
37 $242,487 , Brown
38 $234,319 , Vanderbilt
39 $224,847 , Lafayette
40 $221,448 , Davidson
41 $218,566 , Scripps
42 $217,776 , Mt. Holyoke
43 $203,514 , Whitman
44 $197,688 , Colorado College
45 $197,225 , Colgate
46 $195,632 , Cornell
47 $192,064 , Oberlin
48 $168,972 , Holy Cross
49 $160,885 , UC BERKELEY
50 $157,553 , Sewanee
na , MIT
na , US Military Acad
na , US Naval Acad</p>

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<p>Hawk, the endowment is less of a current measure than annual voluntary donations ( my number ). Harvard has billions ( well, somewhat less now ) in its stock and bond portfolios, but that doesn’t imply public perception of prestige as closely as my measure.</p>

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<p>GoBlue, tell us a little more about what these figures represent.</p>

<p>Are they alumni donations?</p>

<p>Are they research amounts raised bythe universities from the government?</p>

<p>Are they something else?</p>

<p>and</p>

<p>Why not mention over what period there figures are from?</p>

<p>finally</p>

<p>why not add a link to your figures so that we know where they came from?</p>

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<p>found it:</p>

<p>[Top</a> 20 Universities In Private Contributions Received in Fiscal 2009 - HUMAN EVENTS](<a href=“http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35675]Top”>http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35675)</p>

<p>and</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.theithacajournal.com/assets/pdf/CB15115522.PDF[/url]”>http://www.theithacajournal.com/assets/pdf/CB15115522.PDF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>and more details:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cae.org/content/pdf/Top_Twenty_and_By_State_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cae.org/content/pdf/Top_Twenty_and_By_State_2009.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>on a side note, NYU and USC’s increasing academic strength and reputation over the last 20 years or so has been the result of years of high level fund raising. In the tables above they are again among to top universities in private funds raised.</p>

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You put up a list of law schools, so I explained that this is not relevant to the current thread, since this is about undergrads. I noted that, however, if we were to change the thread to discuss the whole university (hence making law schools relevant) the list of elite schools would be different.</huh?></p>