In the past 5 years, Georgetown IB recruiting has really picked up. But it’s not worth it to reapply if FA wasn’t sufficient the first time, you like CMC better, it’s more affordable, AND you’ve got an admission in hand.
CMC is great for what you want and if you want to change course and purse something else after you work in consulting, it’ll serve you well also. Keep that acceptance and enjoy taking classes at Pomona.
Youmay also want to investigate how difficult it is to transfer from CMC to Pomona after a year if you were to find that you like Pomona’s atmosphere better. (You can take classes at both and see for yourself once you’re a CMC student).
Woah there @Blah2009 and @netflicks, don’t make too many assertions about things you don’t actually have any information on. The primary target for McKinsey, BCG, and Bain recruiting at the 5Cs is generally CMC. Just look at the BA/A/ACs from each school per year, it’s skewed towards CMC even with 60% of the undergrad population of Pomona.
Of the top consulting firms, McKinsey tends to recruit roughly equally between the two, BCG and Bain skew towards CMC (Bain more so), Deloitte S&O skews very heavily towards CMC, Oliver Wyman skews Pomona, LEK’s on the fence, Strategy& doesn’t really recruit, boutiques like Mars&Co. tend to recruit CMC. The comfortable majority of business/finance recruiting across the 5Cs goes through CMC’s career services (including McKinsey, BCG, and Bain). The student body, alumni presence, curriculum, and focus at CMC do tend to be more conducive towards consulting - with finance much more heavily in CMC’s favor.
That said, Pomona’s a great school! The emphasis, atmosphere, and culture are just different.
For your other options, JHU and Cornell undergrad aren’t particularly heavily recruited. Vandy and Georgetown get their share of regional recruiting. Hard to say which will give you options and placement relative to size. Spend some time on Linkedin to get an idea of the kinds of students who go to these firms from each school (out of undergrad).
Take a look at firm websites as well - for example, of the above schools, BCG recruits on campus at the Claremont Colleges and Georgetown but seemingly none of the others out of undergrad. JHU and Cornell have graduate campus recruiting. Vanderbilt doesn’t seem to get anything. Bain recruits on campus from the CCs, Georgetown, and Vanderbilt - but not JHU or Cornell.
I go to Pomona and most of the big name consulting groups recruit at CMC. These recruiting events are 5C in nature but based in at CMC. There is an agreement among the colleges that there will not be more than one school in the 5C’s hosting information sessions/on-campus recruiting for consulting. CMC also hosts the Consulting Fair of the Claremont Colleges.
I have friends from CMC who have job offers at Boston Consulting, Bain, and Deloitte, so it definitely does not hinder them. As a small nurturing liberal arts college and as a school commonly regarded as having the happiest students/best quality of life, I’d strongly consider taking CMC seriously. I would not advise Pomona if you are certain you want to go into consulting/finance/investment banking if you already have been admitted to CMC.
noboatshere, do you work at any one of the big 3? if you actually did, you would know not all recruiting info (particularly invite only high priority candidate recruitment events) are not always advertised on the sites.
What matters to me is the interview to offer rate, which pomona excels at. Vandy not getting recruited by BCG is laughable. BCG was created by a vandy undergrad alum afterall.
@blah2008, don’t talk nonsense about something if you know nothing about it. You’re covering your ignorance on the subject with bluster. What on earth do you know about the interview/offer rates at Pomona/CMC? There are great kids at Pomona, but the recruiting is definitively in favor of CMC. Look at the profiles of the school specialists/leads for BCG/Bain, they’re all CMC grads. Look at the history of hires, they swing in favor of CMC.
And if you* actually worked at any of these three, you would know that there’s no such thing as “invite only high priority candidate recruitment events” outside of the regular recruiting process.
And BCG not recruiting at Vandy isn’t laughable if they don’t recruit at Vandy. Take some time to google, it doesn’t look like they actually recruit at Vandy.
^As a principal who is involved in the recruiting process - something you’re clearly not privy to, I’m well in tune with offer rates to interview slots.
As such, I’ve hosted numerous high priority recruiting events at Yale, Stanford, UCLA, Vandy, USC, Pomona in which we invite candidates to dinners at select restaurants. These along with other events are precisely not promoted on the website (as they are geared towards a limited audience). I’ll let any of the others who’ve actually worked at MBB attest to this point - something that is pretty well known through the industry. You seem to know little about how recruiting works.
As for BCG recruiting at Vanderbilt, it does not show up here:
http://www.bcg.com/careers/join/apply-consulting/default.aspx
As an outsider, that’s all you would know. But if you actually were at Vandy or knew people at BCG, you would know they do recruit on campus at Vandy,
Great companies will come looking for you here. Below is a list of some of the employers who recruited Vanderbilt MBAs in 2014.
Consulting – BCG, Deloitte, North Highland, Capgemini, Arryve, Cognizant
http://www.owen.vanderbilt.edu/programs/mba/job-placement.cfm
Here’s an outsider view of some of these select dinners that McKinsey and other MBBs host:
http://www.caseinterview.com/mbb-high-potential-dinners
But of course, there’s no deviation to the normal recruiting process to outsiders, noboatshere.
You are not a principal anywhere @blah2008, I absolutely guarantee it. And heaven forbid that if you ever mustered the gumption to push to that level that you would spend all of your time 10+ years out of undergrad giving bad and incorrect advice to undergrads on college confidential. I at least have the excuse of having used this site before I went to undergrad.
Honestly, your timing doesn’t even work, your topic posts suggest you started attending undergrad in 2005, making you a graduate somewhere in the '08-'09 time frame (as your two '08/'09 profiles suggest), getting a PHD from X takes 5-6 years, meaning you wouldn’t have graduated to have even been eligible to work for M full time until maybe '13/'14 at the absolute earliest (more likely 2015) which would have to assume you graduated early from both undergrad and grad programs. So you could have max maybe a year or two of experience. 5-6 shy from what you’d need to be at the principal level.
You clearly know nothing about recruiting at CMC-Pomona, as there’s plenty of evidence here as to the exact opposite of whatever nonsense you’re peddling (spend some time on the respective sites of the firms as well as on Linkedin, the evidence is readily available). You didn’t go to the Claremonts and likely don’t even work in the LA office of wherever you work, so you would know nothing about the Claremont recruiting process.
“High priority recruiting” as you describe doesn’t happen at the undergrad level for schools like USC, Pomona/CMC, and UCLA. You have not hosted any such dinners and are you are not what you claim to be.
****Now MAYBE you’re at the associate level or something with MAYBE a year of experience, (as your blah2009 profile seems to suggest), but that would mean you have *zero insight into undergrad recruiting (much less “hosted numerous high priority recruiting events”) or what the interview/offer rate is at Pomona/CMC. Furthermore, regardless of whether or not you do work at M you wouldn’t know anything about what B&B do.
Finally, MBA recruiting DOES NOT EQUAL undergrad recruiting. If they’re not listed on that portal, there is no structured recruiting process (Why would they have portals for all their other structured recruiting programs but not Vandy if they had a structured recruiting program at Vandy?). That particular B does not recruit Vandy undergrad, and I doubt they do much serious recruiting for Vandy MBA based on those numbers. Anyone who lumps a firm like B with “Capgemini, Arryve, Cognizant” has no clue what they’re talking about. Those are all chop-shop tech consulting firms.
Come on buddy, you claim to have a PHD from S and a job at M (you are not anywhere near principal if you do, if you’re even a year out of APD), why are you wasting time lying to undergrads on CC about your background and knowledge? You don’t know anything at all about the CMC-Pomona consulting recruiting dynamics, so quit the bluster and stick to things you actually know something about instead of making up absolute nonsense.
noboatshere and blah2008,
can you two take it “outside” please? Off this thread?
your one-up-manship and endless bickering is immature and is of no interest to anyone else .
I don’t have anything to say about myself menlopark, I’m not trying to one-up anyone, and I don’t consider this bickering. I am however hoping that no students make decisions based off the word of someone who may possibly be misrepresenting his position or due to faulty or otherwise misinformed statements.
Though given that, I’ll make this my last post.
OP, if you get into any of those schools again, you’ll be in a great position for all variety of opportunities.They are all excellent in varying degrees and in their own ways. You have no idea what you’ll be thinking or what you’ll be wanting to do when it comes time to be making full-time job considerations in a few years and you probably only have a very loose conception of what might interest you now. For your own sake, don’t make such an important decision now over something so arbitrary and subjective as “what school has marginally better recruiting for a given set of consulting firms.”
I’m done here as well. I do hope the OP sees beyond noboatshere’s posts as well and can decipher what is truth or not. OP - feel free to message me for my contact info.
I will add one more thing as a career track guide.
At McKinsey, you come in as an associate for roughly 2 years, and then are an engagement manager for 2 years before being an associate principal. This is assuming you come in with an advanced degree (JD/MBA/Ph.D.) do well and advance at the normal time frames.
This is similar to the associate to consultant to PL to Principal path at BCG where my wife works.
For myself, I was an industry hire after finishing my Ph.D. in 2012. So I was hired in at the engagement manager level with experience and advanced to associate principal accordingly (during this fall).
With respect to business school admissions, any of the 5 listed schools would be fine.
I would think it is the quality of math/CS programs that more sharply distinguishes those 5 schools for the OP. Look at math & CS course offerings, faculty bios, and program rankings. I think you’d have to conclude that Cornell, JHU, and Vanderbilt are a cut above Georgetown and Claremont McKenna for those majors. It would make sense to pick one of those 3 based on personal fit/preferences, without obsessing too much over the post-graduate outcomes at this point. That will depend more on what you do with your 4 years than on where you do it (as long as you’ve picked a school that is strong in the programs you want.)
Keep in mind that you can take classes at Harvey Mudd if you attend Claremont.