<p>Here's my list:</p>
<p>Harvard (okay undergrad, excellent grad)
Berkeley (bad undergrad, excellent grad)
UCLA (bad undergrad, okay grad)</p>
<p>I am not so sure I would call any of those schools "bad" for undergrad. Case Western is a school where I would say the grad programs surpass the undergrad.</p>
<p>What a joke, is this thread just an excuse to bash UCs or what?</p>
<p>NYU (good undergrad, great grad)</p>
<p>This whole thread is just trolling. Ignore. The tipoff should be that UCLA was considered "okay" for grad, despite having mostly top 10 or top 15 programs.</p>
<p>Why does this guy take joy in causing fights?</p>
<p>Now, the portal to a new Trollfest opens.</p>
<p>who would actually fight about this...</p>
<p>wait, whats with all these "trolls" ? lol im lost...wats a troll and wat do they do?</p>
<p>This topic has been beaten to death. Everyone knows the UCs have bad undergraduate programs and good grad programs. It's like a given.</p>
<p>UCSF...i dont think they have an undergrad and grad is excellent (med school is top notch)</p>
<p>aca: yes, UCSF does not have an undergraduate college. It is solely a medical school, graduate nursing school, dental school, and has many graduate programs in health-related social sciences (psychology, for example) that are all considered top in the nation. </p>
<p>UC Hastings is even less known that UCSF.. it is located in san francisco as well, it is solely a law school, and is a very, very excellent law school at that. </p>
<p>It is not trolling or bashing to say that undergrad at UCs is not great. Its even outlined in the UCs mission, that tehy are to be graduate and research universities. The CSUs are the schools for undergrads.
With that said, undergrad programs at UCs are still considered good, but this is mostly just because they are able to draw top students to come into sub-par systems. At a UC undergrad, you will be around very bright students, but the teaching and access to professors and all the other things which make a good school great, just arent there.</p>
<p>That actually makes a lot of sense. The UCs were designed to be bad undergrad insitutitions. This is why Sakky has been complaining all this time. The UCs could be good if they wanted to. They just don't want to, which is fine with me cause I have no stake in the UC system.</p>
<p>I knew a UCLA roll call was going to take place against OP</p>
<p>UC undergrad programs are "supposed" to be bad? So if they're "supposed" to be bad, what explains all but two of them being top tier?</p>
<p>on topic I would have to say this </p>
<p>If you put the schools that UC's are put in competition with in grad school rankings and compare that to the schools they compete with in undergrad there is a difference.</p>
<p>The focus of UCs is graduate education. They are pretty good for undergrads, but far below their potential. Nevertheless, UC's undergrad is not bad by any means (especially Berkeley and LA, both top 25 IMO) it's just that their grad is so much better (top 15).</p>
<p>"The UCs were designed to be bad undergrad insitutitions. "</p>
<p>hahahahahahahahaha. The UC's were designed to serve the students of California. It's designed to be the best public education system anybody can offer, and it was designed to be the best system in California. But no, it wasn't designed to be elite. Something had to be sacrificed if it could truly fulfill its mission and serve the thousands of applicants, and that was it. </p>
<p>haha let's make an equally bad thread: Which schools have good undergrad but bad grad programs? Oh no, our precious highly-ranked US News schools are getting attacked!</p>
<p>If you put the schools that UC's are put in competition with in grad school rankings and compare that to the schools they compete with in undergrad there is a difference.</p>
<p>"haha let's make an equally bad thread: Which schools have good undergrad but bad grad programs? Oh no, our precious highly-ranked US News schools are getting attacked!"</p>
<p>But this is collegeconfidential, and most people here are interested in graduate school rankings.</p>
<p>i'm kind of curious about this for some schools, especially the ivy leagues (Princeton, for instance, has what i've heard a pretty poor grad program in comparison to their undergrad).</p>