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At least the guy at McDonald's produces a useful product--can't really say that of Mckinsey or Goldman.
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<p>oh really? "useful"? i beg to differ. have you not seen "Supersize Me"? I'd say Mickey D's "produces" one of the most heavily marketed, readily available lethal products for mass consumption ever made.</p>
<p>...but i digress...</p>
<p>oh god gutrade can you ever stop bashing UCs?</p>
<p>Yeah ok by everyone's precious US News Bible, which institution for both UNDERGRAD business and engineering is in the top 3? Is it Berkeley...why yes it is. The other programs in L&S are just as good, in part due to their grad programs (great professors.) The resources are all there but a student there must take the initiative.</p>
<p>"oh god gutrade can you ever stop bashing UCs?</p>
<p>Yeah ok by everyone's precious US News Bible, which institution for both UNDERGRAD business and engineering is in the top 3? Is it Berkeley...why yes it is. The other programs in L&S are just as good, in part due to their grad programs (great professors.) The resources are all there but a student there must take the initiative."</p>
<p>Is this a new breed of anti-troll troll</p>
<p>How am I a troll? Gutrade's constantly on the Berkeley board, the Stanford board, the College Admissions board and this board constantly saying negative things about Berkeley. He/she doesn't go even go there or have any affiliation with the school. Here are some excerpts from Gutrade's past posts:</p>
<p>"This topic has been beaten to death. Everyone knows the UCs have bad undergraduate programs and good grad programs. It's like a given."</p>
<p>" According to US News, the difference between Stanford and Berkeley is equivalent to the difference between Berkeley and University of Rochester. Just a little food for thought."</p>
<p>"The UCs were designed to be bad undergrad insitutitions."</p>
<p>"Berkeley is officially anti-intellectual central"</p>
<p>I'm sick of everyone saying that public schools are "bad" because they aren't in the top 20 of US News rankings.</p>
<p>Whoops I wrote one too many "constantly"s in the second sentence.</p>
<p>so through all these discussions about good or bad grad programs at top schools i never really heard Northwestern talked about, how does that fit into the scheme of things?</p>
<p>in grad programs is it one of those "no need to explain" schools like stanford/harvard/yale? or is that one those schools like princeton with a more limited grad program?</p>
<p>CUGrad - What an interesting set of insights you have on this undergraduate/graduate school thread from a person (you) that's been there (on grad school ad coms). As Afan said, "(C)ould you repeat that once a day on every forum?" I look forward to other CC posts from your pen/keyboard.</p>
<p>I really enjoy the Egg McMuffin and the Filet of Fish-no tartar. But I don't eat them every day all day either. That film was silly. You could get just as sick eating rich meals every day at the finest French restaurant in NYC. What McD's does well is give you exactly what you expect no matter which store you go to anywhere in the country. I don't worry about getting food poisoning and the restrooms are clean.</p>
<p>A university does not have "a" graduate program. All that matters is your own particular department within the university. I don't want to get into a pointless discussion about "quality" and its various definitions, but, in terms of prestige (which seems to be what many of you are actually concerned with), it is quite common for one graduate program at a university to be considered rather meh, while another at the same institution may be quite prestigious -- AMONG THOSE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE FIELD. </p>
<p>Alexandre, I can assure you that not every good graduate program comes along with a good undergraduate program. Where I went to graduate school, the graduate and undergraduate programs in my department were so far apart they might as well have been on different planets. Anyone who graduated from the undergraduate program would have approximately a snowball's chance in hell of being able to get into, let alone survive in, anything like the graduate program.</p>
<p>August, I was talking about top graduate schools with excellent programs accross the board like Columbia, Harvard, Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Stanford, Chicago, Cornell, Penn, Wisconsin etc... </p>
<p>Obviously, there are exceptions where some universities have one or two excellent graduate level programs whereas the rest of the graudate and all of the undergraduate programs are, as you put it, meh. I said from the start that there are exceptions. But I was talking about the top universities.</p>
<p>Yeahohyeah--I feel for you.</p>
<p>I recently started posting and I've notice how much GUTRADE berates Cal and UC schools in general, even though IT has no association with California. (I reveal my frustrations in another post. haha) He especially vents himself on Berkeley for some odd reason, even though the boards he posts on for example "Stanford vs. Berkeley" or "California universities" have absolutely no association with his university nor himself. (He supposedly attends or shall attend university at Yale.)</p>
<p>As an addendum GUTRADE, why did you note that "only the USNEWS ranking" matters, simply ignoring the THES ranking? Is it because it makes you feel superior and better about yourself? Is this how you value your life? Do you truly believe that the USNEWS shall bring you confidence about your own intellectual abilities and future successes in life? Honestly, if you take into account one method of ranking, you must--to be fair--take into account many other methods. </p>
<p>And so yes, since you pride yourself on the USNEWS ranking you must also consider the THES. Which, oh my oh my, places Berkeley second, ahead of your university.</p>
<p>Even the USNWR cannot conceal the fact that Cal is amazing. The academic ranking of Cal hovers between #4 and #8.</p>