<p>Here's what I got:</p>
<p>1) 2000 SAT (660 CR, 720 M, 620 W) + 800 Math LVL 2 and 720 Chemistry</p>
<p>2) 29 ACT (35 M, 30 W, 25 CR, 26 S, 9 Essay)</p>
<p>3) 2000 SAT (same as above) and 5 on Calculus AB and 5 on Calculus BC</p>
<p>4) 800 Math LVL 2, 720 Chemistry, 720 US History</p>
<p>5) 5 on Calculus AB, 5 on Calculus BC, 4 on US History</p>
<p>which should I turn in?</p>
<p>The 1st or the 4th.</p>
<p>Can’t you submit your SAT, SAT II’s, and AP scores?</p>
<p>You are definitely able to submit SAT, SAT II’s, and AP’s and if I were you that is what I would do because your SAT II’s and AP’s are your most impressive scores. Your SAT is a 1380/1600 which is also worth submitting. NYU says right on their website they do not put much emphasis on the writing, so even though that score is lower than the rest it will not hurt you I don’t think.</p>
<p>^They don’t put much emphasis on the writing part of the SAT? :-/ Does that bode poorly for me then? I got 800 Writing, 740 Critical Reading, and 600 Math. (2140 total). Would they not let me in because my writing is so high and my math is lower? :(</p>
<p>^ your ‘old school’ score is 1340/1600 which is the average score so I don’t think it will ruin you.</p>
<p>^Do you determine the old school score by leaving out the writing section? Is that really what NYU does? (Seems really odd to me not to count the writing part. If that’s someone’s strength, why would they not commend that?)</p>
<p>Yes that is how you get the old school score. It is not only NYU that does this though, any ‘good’ school would do the same. The writing section is alot easier than the other two- one simply needs to memorize the rules and every mistake pops out at you. However, your essay score DOES matter.</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s why most people’s lowest score is on the writing section? Okay…that sure makes a lot of sense. Check almost any college’s “applicant stats” and you’ll see that the majority of people score the lowest on the writing section. And even when it is not their lowest or even when it is in fact their HIGHEST, very few people actually get an 800 on it. Most get a 600s-range score on it. </p>
<p>Believe it or not, knowing and applying correct grammar, vocabulary, and writing skills is not something most people find easy. Seriously; I was an editor for my peer’s essays last year in AP English Language and Composition, and it was clear that even these AP students did not have a strong grasp on actual writing skills. </p>
<p>And if writing skills is supposedly just memorization, what do you call math? That is more rote memorization than any subject.</p>
<p>I was not giving an opinion, I was stating a fact. Top rated schools do not consider the writing section as heavily as the math or critical reading sections.
I was also not trying to devalue grammar or writing skills, but the questions asked on the SAT’s writing section do not correspond to classroom writing skills. And vocabulary is tested on the critical reading section, not the writing. That being said, an 800 on the writing section certainly won’t hurt you. A 600 on math will. Your out of 1600 score is ultimately more important than your 2400. </p>
<p>Read for yourself: </p>
<p>[Many</a> colleges ignore SAT writing test, frustrating high school students. - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/20/many_colleges_ignore_sat_writing_test/]Many”>http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/20/many_colleges_ignore_sat_writing_test/)</p>
<p>[Admissions</a> Officials Shrug at SAT Writing Test - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/2008/04/30/admissions-officials-shrug-at-sat-writing-test.html]Admissions”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/2008/04/30/admissions-officials-shrug-at-sat-writing-test.html)</p>
<p>^I don’t think you’re devaluing grammar/writing skills, but to say that part is “much easier” than the other two parts (while most students score lower on it than the other two parts) is just an inaccurate statement. </p>
<p>And from those articles, it sounds like colleges are distrusting of the essay portion, not the multiple-choice. So for colleges to not consider the score altogether is pretty ridiculous, in my opinion. </p>
<p>Also, I’m confused; you said NYU does consider the essay score? Yet that is the part colleges are most suspicious of being invalid? :-/</p>
<p>Many schools look more closely at the 1600 score meaning no writing but they will still take a look at your essay score. This part is not confirmed, just what I have heard.</p>
<p>All right. Very strange, but thanks for the info.</p>
<p>the hard fact is, the writing section on the SAT has only been around for a few years. (i took the very first SAT with the writing section, and i would be class of 2010.) </p>
<p>colleges have every right to put emphasis on the parts of the college application they consider important. if they want to use the old scoring system, that’s their agenda. yes, they will look at the writing score, it’s not as if they’ll just ignore it.</p>
<p>until the writing section has been honed and perfected just like the math and critical reading sections, colleges will still emphasize the “old school” score. your 800 in writing will certainly help your application.</p>
<p>remember: standardized tests scores don’t get you in, but they can keep you out.</p>
<p>Okay, but honestly, it upsets me that someone with a lower overall SAT score than me could get into a “good” school because his math score may be higher when his scores in the other sections are lower than mine. </p>
<p>Personally, I think each section should be considered because all test valuable skills. And–in my opinion–knowing proper grammar, vocabulary, writing conventions, et cetera indicates that one will be able to express one’s thoughts in a clear, professional, and intelligent manner. The ability to know and utilize the skills that accompany good writing is much more important in college and the real world than memorizing the quadratic formula and solving for “x”). </p>
<p>If the colleges’ problem is with the actual content of the test, hopefully the CollegeBoard will rectify it soon. Even if the colleges are dissatisfied with the test, I think it’s shortsighted to basically ignore students’ scores on it when they could truly indicate a strength in writing skills.</p>
<p>Alas, I know I can’t change the colleges’ agendas. I’m merely expressing my concern and frustration with their point of view. But oh, well. Hopefully my GPA, essays, extracurriculars, et cetera will play a bigger role than my math score on the SAT.</p>
<p>The short personal statements and the long essay both test all of the skills that you mention. That’s why your school, Tisch, puts MORE EMPHASIS on your personal statements and writing samples. </p>
<p>It’s Stern and CAS that put more emphasis on the “hard” (as in unchangeable, not as in difficulty) factors such as rank, GPA and yes, standardized test scores.</p>
<p>Yes, your math score isn’t ideal, but if your portfolio and the rest of the application are sterling, you should be fine.</p>
<p>That’s good to know about Tisch, and thank you for the encouragement. I suppose what I’m still not clear on is this: Tisch looks at everything (portfolio, NYU application, and the “hard” factors?) and select those they want to admit? Then they submit these people to NYU at large to be ultimately decided who gets into NYU?</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>each school has admissions officers for their own departments. they look at everything. </p>
<p>the actual admissions office is there to just handle paper work. (the one on west fourth.)</p>
<p>without going into specifics (i’m not allowed to divulge certain things <em>cough</em>) that’s pretty much how it goes.</p>
<p>So, when I submit the Common Application, it’s really going to Tisch? That’s interesting and good to know. Thanks, MAP! :)</p>
<p>i know it sounds weird, but i’m not sure that’s how it works for Tisch. i only know how it works for CAS and schools that don’t require portfolio.</p>