@prof2dad: It seems like you have not researched the history of SUNY schools much.
The medical school that was started in 1846 is indeed an ancestor of the current SUNY Buffalo, but it’s rather a stretch to say that the undergraduate experience at SUNY Buffalo should be impacted by that med school’s history.
In any case, the top SUNYs are already in the same league as those other public’s listed.
Seems I should have named this thread: “Does NJ actually suck, why no NY flagship, and other burning questions you’ve always wanted answered” 
Fun fact: Rutgers is one of 9 colleges founded before the American Revolution (est. 1766). Of those nine, only it and William & Mary are now public and not in the Ivy League.
I believe Rutgers College campus is the site of the original Queen’s College. It’s a very historic school. It’s too bad it isn’t as good a bargain for NJ residents as other states’ schools are for theirs.
Interesting thread…so would we all rate Rutgers, UDel, UMass as equal…for a business major?
I thought undergraduate business school ratings don’t really matter. As long as the school is accredited, right?
Some types of employers are much more school prestige conscious than others. For example, Wall Street or consulting employers may favor Penn over most other schools.
The main business and accounting major accreditation comes from AACSB.
https://www.northcarolina.edu/content/our-17-campuses
UNC system 17 campuses with tons of additional links to each campus. The OOS cap is 18%, for undergrad and grad schools. Both UNC-CH and NCSU regents have asked legislators to up the cap specifically for their campuses or even certain programs. However, for years it has been asked of the legislators to change it but they have remained firm, but you never know!
As far as NCSU and Chapel Hill they work in tandem with each other, relatively close geographically with shuttles that go between them. NCSU has the school of engineering, school of textiles, school of architecture, the animal sciences/agriculture programs that feed into the state’s Vet school, schools of education…the list is huge.
Plus the bonus of beating Duke last night @ Doooooke!
The different campuses of the UNC system are so varied and unique. A few are HBCU’s with strong alumni ties all over the south. UNC Asheville is a small liberal arts college nestled in the mountains of Asheville, foodie heaven! UNCW has one of the very best marine biology programs in the country. ECU’s medical campus is massive for both undergrad and grad school. It has a brand new dental school program along with one of two public med school’s, the other at Chapel Hill. With the cheapest tuition for medical school, and only taking in-state residents.
UNC Charlotte, NCSU, NCA&T have ABET accredited engineering programs. NCAT and UNC Greensboro have a joint new school of nanoengineering and nanoscience with a beautiful new campus. NCSU has a new genetics program and a new joint program with UNC-CH in biomedical engineering.
https://www.bme.unc.edu/
http://jsnn.ncat.uncg.edu/
https://genetics.sciences.ncsu.edu/
As a current NC resident with 5 kiddos I did my research before we moved here from CA. And we moved for the exact reasons stated up thread regarding the costs and problems at the UC’s. Relevant to this thread is that ironically my family and I are from New Brunswick NJ, and none of us attended school in NJ except for my middle son, at princeton. But came back to attend med school and business school here in NC!
The OOS tuition prices here are very affordable (each UNC campus has different rates) along with very affordable room and board.
Hope this helps.
Maybe we should stop picking on New Jersey. It’s taken quite a pounding on this thread.
NJ isn’t the only state that sends more of its college-bound freshmen out-of-state than it keeps in-state for college. Connecticut, Maryland, New Hampshire, and Hawaii are in that same boat. Perhaps it’s no coincidence that these states all rank among those with the highest median household income. This suggests that many students might leave NJ—and the other states just listed–because they can afford it.
@MACmiracle - West Virginia University did just that, but it’s not reliable and students complain about it a lot.
@Bestfriendsgirl ,
I’m glad they tested my idea first before Rutgers wasted millions of our tax payer dollars! 
It would be interesting to do some research to determine which is really worse.
Does WVU have multiple campuses to travel between, too?
@bclintonk yeah, but NJ also attracts no OOS students (unless it’s Princeton or Stevens). And as mentioned before, there’s nothing that would attract them to NJ that they can’t get anywhere else…except for high-quality pizza and bagels.
I’m from a state neighboring NJ- which I guess would make it the most prime territory to get students poached to NJ- and for whatever reason people here seem to feel that they have high quality pizza and bagels in this state, not in NJ. And would never dream of going to NJ for this purpose, or think of NJ as being remotely competitive for these items. Perhaps they are mistaken but I’m pretty confident that this is the mindset here. Nobody is crossing the bridge to get a bagel in New Jersey.
FWIW.
@monydad you are correct - bagels and pizza in NY are far superior to those in NJ - and while you cross the bridge or tunnel to get to the great NY food might as well keep going to get your higher education also
@monydad wow that’s harsh. I’ve had bagels and pizza from both states and they are equally tasty. The difference? In NJ you’ll pay less 
@MACmiracle - Yes, two - downtown and Evansdale. There might even be others - I didn’t go there.
We have one of the best pizza places in the northeast near us in NJ.
Of course the irony is that it is called “Brooklyn Pizza”. 
(It’s the Grimaldi Family)
/Pizza snob here. I’ll save the rest of the comments for the inevitable “pizza snob thread” I will create in the Cafe.
It’s true that in comparison to neighboring states—and in comparison to most states, for that matter—NJ attracts relatively few OOS students. But it’s a stretch to say it “attracts no OOS students.” According to U.S. Dept of Education data, in 2014 a total of 4,816 OOS freshmen enrolled in NJ colleges and universities. They can’t all be going to Princeton or Stevens because their entering classes aren’t that big.
OOS students accounted for only 16% of newly enrolled freshmen at NJ colleges and universities in 2014. That’s low, but not as low as Texas where only 10% of newly enrolled freshmen were OOS. For comparison purposes,in NY 31% of enrolled freshmen were OOS; in PA 36%; in MA 51%; in IL 27%; and in CA 17%.
Back to SUNY, I don’t know if this was previously mentioned, but, unlike some of the better-known flagships in the northeast that they are being compared to, they essentially have no big time sports programs, .Such programs can help increase public profile/name recognition , provide revenue to support other programs, and help promote student/alumni sense of community, support and entertainment.
Also their four “flagship” campuses are smaller than some of those higher-profile state flagships. Buffalo has nearly 20,000 undergraduates, but the other three only have 13,00-17,000. Binghamton has 13,500.
By comparison: U Maryland, College Park- 27,500; Penn State- 40,500; Rutgers- New Brunswick 32,000
U Mass Amherst- 23,000.
(FWIW U Delaware and other New England flagships are also relatively small)
Plus a number of their campuses are in less than thrilling/desirable areas. I daresay few people are heading to most of those campuses from out of state for the location.
Re: bagels, etc. for the record I did not mean to say NJ’s were actually worse, or better. Just that nobody here thinks of it for those things, whether or not they are actually better.
“Connecticut, Maryland, New Hampshire, and Hawaii are in that same boat.”
Don’t forget Illinois. Our public colleges are expensive and don’t offer the variety of locations and campus styles that other large states like Ohio, Virginia, etc. do.