ASU usually means the same thing as Arizona State University. Also, WUE tuition discounts are not available at the ASU main campus in Tempe (but are available at the Downtown, Polytechnic, and West campuses). UA (University of Arizona) offers the WUE discount only for mining engineering. However, NAU offers the WUE discount for most majors.
ASU and U of A offer merit aid, so that helps them attract more of the higher stats OOS students to their honors colleges. I’m sure they also get plenty of average stats OOS students looking at the numbers on the chart from @Gator88NE. I think NAU in Flagstaff targets more of the Southern CA crowd who want a residential campus experience at a reasonable price and would be looking at commuter schools in CA.
@insanedreamer The University of Michigan is actually close to 50% OOS students. Apparently the number of college age kids in the state (along with the population of the state in general) has dropped following the decline of Detroit and the State’s economy. Fortunately Michigan does not rely on the state for funding. Many in-state kids go to Michigan State instead where the competition for admission is not so steep. You are right about UT-Austin though which is over 90% Texans.
According to my cousin at WVU, there are a surprisingly large number of kids from out-of-state (and she specifically mentioned NJ) because OOS costs at WVU are cheaper than in-state costs at other schools.
WVU out-of-state cost of attendance is $37,958.
https://admissions.wvu.edu/cost-and-aid/cost-estimate
Rutgers in-state cost of attendance is $32,649.
https://financialaid.rutgers.edu/cost-of-attendance/rutgers/
However, moderately high stats may bring scholarships at WVU to make its cost more competitive.
Right, so especially with scholarships WVU becomes a competitive option financially for kids looking to go out-of-state
And academically, the first draw I think of, particularly for kids from Appalachia, is the Statler College of Engineering and Mineral Resources
17k of 392k students who enrolled in State colleges left CA. Given the headline, that’s a remarkably low percentage, don’t you think? To me, that says CSUs and UCs offer a compelling value to our residents.
UNR (Reno) draws a LOT of California students. They keep their application window open late so they can serve a s a a last minute fallback. They are also a WUE school that offers more money to well qualified students, making the tuition/room/board bill around $18k, comparable to most CSUs… It is a great strategy by Nevada which is hungry for a bright, motivated workforce.
@NCalRent can you explain where you got the 17K figure? As I read the chart, 41,820 CA resident students went out of state (Column 7). Compared to 45K who came into CA from OOS. (Column 8.) I’m assuming the chart includes students at private institutions and not just public.
So no one wants to go to Princeton? Lol!
NY just has a massive # of kids, a huge # of whom end up in SUNYs. You just don’t hear about it. Not everyone in NY can afford $60k a year, but many still make too much for substantial aid from schools they have a shot at, have Multiple kids to educate, etc.
@HRSMom 17k came from the graphic in the New York Times link posted by the OP. They note 17,196 left CA while 4,681 came to CA from other states It notes those are public school students and that they use US Dept of Ed 2014 data, beyond that, I don’t know where they got their number and why it would differ from the NCES table -
In round numbers, there are about new 47k UC new freshman, 63k CSU new freshmen and 270k Ca CC first time freshmen - which puts the CA public system close enough to 392k - to suggest the privates may well make up the difference but, that’s a guess on my part.
http://datamart.cccco.edu/Students/Enrollment_Status.aspx
http://www.calstate.edu/as/stat_reports/2016-2017/f16_10.htm
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/fall-enrollment-headcounts
@Corinthian ^ they meant you
Yes, the NCES data includes private institutions, which changes things a lot.
New York actually does pretty well. It holds on to about the same percentage of its students as Virginia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Oregon, Missouri, Tennessee, and it brings in substantially more students than it exports. In fact, New York pulls in more students from out of state than anywhere but California . . . not that anyone would notice, because the in-state numbers are so large in absolute terms. New York’s net numbers look a lot like Virginia’s, both in absolute terms and in the percentage of in-state students who leave and the percentage of students coming from out of state. I wouldn’t have guessed that.
My New Jersey born and bred kids both went out of state for college, as did their parents. But then both came back to live here, as did their parents.
We love the state and would never consider living elsewhere.
So there!
I thought Arizona State (and U of Arizona) aren’t part of WUE? Neither is OSU, OU, U.Wash (maybe Wash State? Can’t remember.)
There will always be brain drain based on how students and high schools view their in-state options. It is very hard to change these within state beliefs.
@insanedreamer look at @ucbalumnus post #20 on this thread. And for those who want to go to ASU or U of A and don’t qualify for WUE discount, there may be merit aid.
Texas looks to be losing a lot. I wonder specifically what the impact will be on STEM?
A&M wants to pile them in with their new "25 by 25 initiative (i.e. they want to have 25,000 undergrads enrolled in engineering by 2025)
UT admits directly to specific major and makes transferring to a different major considerably challenging.
For the student who is not 100% sure of their STEM major, it definitely gives one reason to pause.
@insanedreamer there are some programs and campuses that are part of WUE and some that aren’t. http://wue.wiche.edu/search_results.jsp?searchType=all
It’s not really about Rutgers’ academics specifically, no. But I know that in my case as well much of the rest of the 55% of NJ kids who go OOS each year, Rutgers is way too large and we’d go to school with too many of our HS classmates. TCNJ is about as good as Rutgers, but seems to only fit a certain niche of students and many if not most NJ students just don’t feel the vibes of that school. But academics do play some sort of a role in the large exodus; NJ colleges and universities, public and private, are perceived to be generally weak with poor ROI values and lacking campus communities. Look at the incoming student stats, retention and grad rates, and % of freshmen living on campus for a bunch of them. After the likes of Stevens IT and Rowan (schools that round out NJ’s top 5), there is a considerable drop off in quality. I know that I, and many other New Jerseyans, am getting a better quality education AND college experience at the likes of UNC Wilmington than would be received at virtually all of NJ’s higher ed offerings bar Princeton. And expanding on @TomSrOfBoston’s point, NJ schools do a notoriously poor job in the arena of attracting OOS students into the state; only 10% of college students who attend school in NJ come from other states. It really shows the disappointing quality of NJ colleges. That is an embarrassing but blunt reality.
I always love commenting on threads like these and giving insight as to why so many NJ students leave the state for college. And considering the general climate (not talking about weather!) of the state, I have no plans of ever returning to the state to live. I think many others are the same way.
Yup, this is true. 18% is the limit. For me, that is way too stringent even if it is the third-best public U system in the country already. I don’t know if there has been a lot of discussion, but someone should propose an idea of raising it to 25-30%. Lots more money would come in, and raising the mandated %age could potentially see NC overtaking VA for second-best system in the nation.
I am from Texas, but I go to school OOS in Ohio. Ohio has so many good options for public school.
What I’ve noticed is that Pennsylvania seems to lose a sizable chunk of students to Ohio and different northeast states. This might be because of the higher cost for some of the higher rated public schools in Pennsylvanis, such as PSU and Pitt. But I wonder if the data/stats back up what I’m saying?