<p>My daughter would like to work in Marketing for a fashion company and study business as her first degree.</p>
<p>Could you please help me to think about the value of the programs if the predicted parental payment looks like:</p>
<p>Cornell - $50,000+
USC - $30,000+
Chapman - smaller class sizes, much more personal attention and likely $30,000 or less?</p>
<p>She probably has a ~50 chance of Cornell ED with no financial aid. USC - help from National Merit Scholarship likely and probable merit scholarship help from Chapman. </p>
<p>Cornell has ivy league and statistical higher quality of fellow students, sl better than USC.
I am confident that USC would offer a great educational experience. though the large class sizes are a concern and I therefore make it equivalent to the higher level UCs (thus not mentioned).
Chapmen relative stats GPA av (3.49, 3.66 USC, 3.89 Cornell) and SATs middle range ( -100, -10-20, Compared to Cornell) are much lower. I don't know how to determine the value of smaller class sizes and whether this would compensate.</p>
<p>We can "afford" (loans) the extra dollars, but I have a difficult time seeing the Cornell value (except that it is D first choice and I believe that peers will have a strong influence.</p>
<p>Thanks for an absolutely wonderful resource.</p>
<p>I'd go to USC....even though Cornell has a slightly better ranked business program for undergaduates, a undergraduate business degree does not matter as much as where one gets their MBA. I'd go to USC for undergrad and then somewhere better for your MBA</p>
<p>I doubt that Cornell will cost you $50K per year. Have you used an EFC calculator? Have you spoken with an admissions officer of financial aid officer at Cornell?</p>
<p>Cornell is such a great experience. I think you should trust your daughter's intuition. It is her first choice.</p>
<p>Both are really good so rankings don't matter as much as what your daughter wants. But you should also have a talk with her about how much you can afford. If you can't do $50,000, by all means, go to USC and save the money for grad school.</p>
<p>You aren't a NY resident btw? NY state residents only pay $20,000 in tuition to Cornell's contract colleges, including the Business program! it's sweet</p>
<p>Wow #4 that's even better. I think overall, Cornell's AEM is better than USC.</p>
<p>But they are both really good schools and the OP's daughter would probably like both of them. But there's a $20,000 difference between the schools...not everyone can afford that, and if she's doing grad school, it's probably better to go to the cheaper school. </p>
<p>If your daughter can somehow become a NY state resident, she'll pay $20,000 for Cornell tuition....there are ways to go about that.</p>
<p>I was not aware Cornell was a public university which I'm pretty sure it isn't so in state or out of state should not matter. USC's undergrad business school is ranked either 9 or 10 by USNEWS and lower elsewhere, it all depends on who's doing the talking. I'd say go to USC. One because its undergrad so why not pay less? You were concerened about class size but USC actually has a smaller class size than many of the UC's, only people who don't know about it assume its like the rediculous class sizes of like UC Berkley or UCLA. USC has way better weather and I'd actually say has an environment which is more conducive to learning. World class education where people have as much fun as they study. There's a reason USC was ranked number 9 on a list of dream schools. I used to be in love with Cornell but I ultimately ended up choosing USC. Trust me, once your daughter goes there, she won't have any reason to ever look back. I know I haven't :)</p>
<p>^ You don't know seem to know much about Cornell considering it was your dream school. Cornell has several colleges which receive funding from NY state and so NY State residents pay $20,000 at those schools, instead of full tuition. Cornell's undergrad Business program, AEM, is in one of those colleges (CALS) so if the OP was a NY resident, tuition would be reduced. Just trying to help, a lot of NY residents don't know about this. And btw, the $20,000 tuition is without financial aid, with financial aid, it could be reduced further. Like I said, USC is also a great school, and your daughter would be lucky to go to either one.</p>
<p>The Trojan Family (alumni connections for jobs) is BIG. If your D is interested in working in California, and in particular the fashion industry in SoCal, USC is a no-brainer. Plus, the automatic NMSF discount is nice. While Chapman is an up-and-comer, it still has a commuter school feel, since many kids go home on weekends. Cornell also has a strong alumni group, but it's impossible to beat the Trojan Family in SoCal.</p>
<p>The only UC with a comparable biz schools is Cal-Haas.</p>
<p>I'm a college administrator on the East Coast who knows a lot about colleges, but I'm not familiar with Chapman. Maybe that's my shortcoming, but surely it shouldn't logically be in the same conversation with USC and Cornell?</p>
<p>Cornell's state contract schools cost less for NY residents only. (Cornell is not a public university. The tuition at these state contract colleges is not the same as a SUNY tuition. Cornell's tuition is much higher)</p>
<p>Our experience with our NY resident D1, accepted at a state contract college at Cornell, is that she got less financial aid than our other 2 kids financial aid packages from top LAC's. Hence the out of pocket cost is about the same, or maybe even more, at Cornell.</p>
<p>IMO, it seems a bit of a scam (financial aid wise). But our D1 is attending Cornell and loves it. We (H and I) think she is getting a wonderful education and it is changing/challenging her for the better. She has had many opportunities to get to know professors and has had some/many small classes.</p>
<p>We (H and I ) are very impressed w/ Cornell and willing to pay the price, even if we think the whole contract college thing can be misleading.</p>
<p>I didn't say Cornell was a public university, I said only NY residents get the discount...but it is true that the contract colleges are public colleges, because they belong to NY state, but they a part of Cornell. So Cornell is not entirely a private institute. The reason they are not as cheap as SUNY's is because they are not SUNY schools! But just because they are not SUNY doesn't mean they can't be public. They are NY state contract colleges. </p>
<p>Right now I go to NYU and am paying $38,000 just for tuition/fees! Cornell's Tuition + Room/Board + Meal Plan + Fees + Books is less than that...it's crazy. Seems like a good deal to me :)</p>
<p>It does not matter what you say "starg, " Cornell is costing us about the same as our other 2 kids at top private LAC's. I will grant you, if students get no financial aid or scholarships, dollar for dollar a NY resident will pay less at a contract college than a non-NY resident.</p>
<p>The Marshall School is very selective. I checked the latest rankings on U.S. News. In the rankings by specialty I was unable to find one specialty where Cornell outranked SC. The Chapman business school is not in the same range as the other universities mentioned in the post.</p>
<p>Here are some of the specialty rankings within the Marshall Undergraduate School of Business according to U.S. News.
Accounting: 5th in U.S.
Entrepreneurship: 4th
International Business: 5th
Real Estate: 7th</p>
<p>In reference to the class size it says 10 to 1 on the website for the entire university. However, SC is not known for having the huge classes of the UC system. This is just one anecdote, but a friend's relative is a sophomore in business and she mentioned he had not had one class above 26. One class had only 9 students. Perhaps the original poster should ask in the SC forum about typical class sizes in the business school.</p>
<p>morrism, I'm sorry you're paying so much. 3 kids in college can't be easy...I don't think Cornell gives merit scholarships though, or at least they're very rare. Fin aid is need-based. </p>
<p>OP - did your daughter get into these colleges, or is she just applying?</p>