White girls applying to college have a harder time getting accepted.

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<p>Can you say the two were completely equal?<br>
Could the gal have had some issue with the app? The guy may have had some leadership edge through sports or pre-career experiences she didn’t. She may have wanted a major that’s packed with females- or a major that’s not, but nothing to show (classes, experiences, etc) that she could handle that. She may have written another Jane Austen essay. Not talking stats. Not limiting it to one piece of the picture.
Is this a matter of assuming discrimination, without laying down both for a real comparison- and maybe by an adcom sort.</p>

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<p>The top of the applicant pool is most decidedly not overrepresented by females. It is no easier for a female than a male to get into an ivy or a place like Duke or Rice.</p>

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Are you suggesting that colleges don’t really practice gender balancing–that they just happen to end up with roughly equal M/F ratios? I think it’s pretty clear they do. Post #40 pretty much explains why they do it. It’s what their customers as a whole want, even if it results in a few unhappy customers.</p>

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<p>“The top of the applicant pool is most decidedly not overrepresented by females”</p>

<p>-I know that many very top females (ranked #1 or close in their HS class) are applying close to home for various reasons, not aspired at all to attend Ivy / Elite, expecially those who are planning on Med./Law schools. I do not know how it compares to top male applicants. However, I got an impression that more boys want to be far away and more girls prefer to be closer to home. Again, this is based on anecdotal evidence, I did not check any statistics if it is available at all.</p>

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<p>^Look at the top of the SAT ranges and look at the M:F breakdown; it is not overrepresented by females.</p>

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<p>Of course colleges practice gender-balancing. And many girls would be the first to say that they don’t want to go to a school that has many more female than male students. Any honest school guidance counselor will confirm that (with a few exceptions for male-dominated fields institutions) the girl applicant field is overall more qualified than the boy applicant field. Thus girls have to reach a higher bar to be accepted. College admissions is never a level playing field. You have legacies, athletes, URMs, ORMs, etc. it’s just interesting to note that in this case (as with Asian students) the girl students’ own striving has worked against them as a group.</p>

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<p>Not at the top.</p>

<p>A difference in an average does not imply a difference at the top. In fact, it is the opposite. The top of the SAT ranges are overrepresented by males.</p>

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[Gender</a> and brains](<a href=“http://www.pediatricservices.com/prof/prof-21.htm]Gender”>http://www.pediatricservices.com/prof/prof-21.htm)</p>

<p>I think it’s inaccurate to say that boys have it easier in admissions, and especially to advise that it’s easier for a boy to get into a place like Duke or an ivy.</p>

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<p>Here’s an example of the male/female admissions disparity from 2 of the Claremont Colleges (taken from their Common Data Sets)</p>

<p>Harvey Mudd (STEM majors) acceptance rates:
Male 15.3%
Female 40.7%</p>

<p>Pomona College (traditional LAC) acceptance rates:
Male 17.6%
Female 11.8%</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.pomona.edu/administration/institutional-research/common-data-set/11-12/C-Admissions.pdf[/url]”>http://www.pomona.edu/administration/institutional-research/common-data-set/11-12/C-Admissions.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.hmc.edu/files/institutionalresearch/CDS%202011-12/CDS_2011-2012_C.pdf[/url]”>http://www.hmc.edu/files/institutionalresearch/CDS%202011-12/CDS_2011-2012_C.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I find this odd. I am a white male who was rejected at Davidson of all places, and admitted to the University of Southern California AND Emory, both of which are certainly more difficult to get into and both of which I would have been competing against more males. Go figure.</p>

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<p>Several years ago Kenyon’s Dean of Admissions sent a open letter in the NYT to all the female applicants they rejected. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/23britz.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/23britz.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>thanks for posting that Emilybee, a very refreshing honesty, sans condescension, and from 2006, which shows things have been getting more challenging for a while, now.</p>

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<p>Of course they practice gender balancing- in overall numbers, in certain majors and with respect to the additional talents a top college seeks. With great respect to cpt, I think #40 is a tale of two kids who seemed equal in stats and I wonder if the rest of the story is known. </p>

<p>When you just look at stats or ethnicity, you don’t know all that the adcoms got to see. </p>

<p>If you simply want to take the number of women who applied and their acceptance rates versus the number of men and their rates, sure, there can be a difference at a school seeking to add men.</p>

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<p>Yale Common Data Set 2010 on page 6:</p>

<p>Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men who applied 11,759
Total first-time, first-year (freshman) women who applied 14,110</p>

<p>Total first-time, first-year (freshman) men who were admitted 1,028
Total first-time, first-year (freshman) women who were admitted 1,011</p>

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<p>This makes me very anxious. Given that the stats we see on “college search” websites and books are several years old, and that they don’t distinguish between boys and girls, how do we find the real academic matches and safetys for our daughters? </p>

<p>If my DD was a STEM kid looking for engineering schools, I’d breathe an awful lot easier.</p>

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<p>Common data sets are available online for many schools and have this same information.</p>

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<p>Colleges want your applications, and the application fees. They don’t want to give you data to convince you NOT to apply.</p>

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<p>[Being</a> a White Girl No Longer the Great ?Hook? It Once Was](<a href=“http://gawker.com/5899638/being-a-white-girl-no-longer-the-great-hook-it-once-was]Being”>Being a White Girl No Longer the Great “Hook” It Once Was)</p>

<p>my heart goes out
damn i wish i was white</p>

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<p>Who is stereotyping now?</p>

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<p>Miami: I agree with you about girls tending to stay closer to home. Just my observations. Even the recruited athletes in our area stick to 3 or 4 different schools fairly close.</p>

<p>Regarding the girl issue: I have never known of any girl in our two school district county EverR into ivy league schools or super prestigious schools. We had a boy last year and one this year going to Cornell. Had a Harvard admit and 2 waitlisted in the last decade and boys who have went to some other prestigious NE schools. I can’t remember one girl. Out last national merit scholar ( a girl) went to Ohio University. </p>

<p>Just my experiences.</p>