Whitman vs. Grinnell

<p>I am considering applying to both Whitman and Grinnell, but I cannot make up my mind as to which one would be, for me, a better choice. I am attracted by the intellectual climate of these two schools and the allegedly “unpretentious” attitude with which the students put their knowledge into practice. </p>

<p>I am an inquisitive student who is compelled “to learn just for the sake of learning,” as they say, and I tend to approach my studies in a fairly laid-back manner. I especially enjoy learning about French language and culture. I plan to major in French, and I have heard good things about Grinnell’s foreign language programs. In my spare time, I like to hang out with friends or to go outdoors—or to hang out with friends outdoors. Whitman students seem very involved in outdoor activities. </p>

<p>Since I am gay, I am seeking a school which is very open-minded. Both schools are known for their liberal student bodies, but I am concerned that Grinnell might be too radical.</p>

<p>I am from North Carolina, and it will be expensive for me to attend a college which is as far away as Washington or Iowa, and I am concerned about financial aid. I am not sure that I will receive very much need-based aid. (My household income is ≈$135000. I have three siblings which will be considered dependent on this income, and one of them is in college.) I suspect that I might have to hope for merit aid in some shape or form. Grinnell is more financially appealing because of its large endowment.</p>

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<p>Nice Stats! You’d probably be eligible for merit aid at both schools, although I don’t think Whitman offers more than 12K and Grinnell 15K. Why are u limiting yourself to only 1 school tho?</p>

<p>Just from reading this, I’d go with Grinnell. I’m going to be honest, I dont know anything about Grinnell’s or Whitman’s language departments. If your looking to supplement this with a science (just judging by your profile) Grinnell has one of the strongest science programs among LACs.
Both schools have a very outoorsey, intellectual student body, although Grinnell may be a tinge more intellectual and Whitman slightly more outdoorsey (all from heresy, I admit). </p>

<p>Both schools lean to the left, but Whitman is more balanced. As far as Grinnell being radical, I don’t think you’ll have to worry too much about that. From reading these threads, your fellow students will challenge you no matter what your beliefs, but it is accepting of all ideas. I started my college search as a right leaning moderate (now I’m more like a left leaning moderate) and was slightly worried about Grinnell, but the overwhelming response was that it isnt like Bard, Reed, etc. </p>

<p>Both are great schools and you couldn’t go wrong either way. I don’t know anything specific about the gay community at either school, but I dont feel like either would create a hostile environment for the GLBTQ community.</p>

<p>First, with a $135K income you won’t receive much, if any, financial aid. You’ll need to target merit. </p>

<p>It looks like you would get $12K for Whitman leaving $38K to finance. [Whitman</a> Scholarships](<a href=“http://www.whitman.edu/content/financial_aid/new-and-prospective-students/facts/scholarships-and-grants/whitman-scholarships]Whitman”>http://www.whitman.edu/content/financial_aid/new-and-prospective-students/facts/scholarships-and-grants/whitman-scholarships)</p>

<p>Grinnell’s goes up to $15K leaving $31K to finance. [Scholarships</a> - Financial Aid | Grinnell College](<a href=“http://www.grinnell.edu/offices/financialaid/typesofaid/scholarships]Scholarships”>http://www.grinnell.edu/offices/financialaid/typesofaid/scholarships)</p>

<p>You might want to take a look at this thread: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/848226-important-links-automatic-guaranteed-merit-scholarships.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/848226-important-links-automatic-guaranteed-merit-scholarships.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Any chance you are a NMF? There are some scholarships available to those from very good schools.</p>

<p>Erin’s dad, I’m sure you already know this, but since one kid is already in college, their EFC gets cut in half, which might give a bit more leeway in terms of financial aid. However, NMF scholarship and instate options are always something to consider. Theres no need to fall in love with a school u cant afford.</p>

<p>Grinnell is liberal but hardly radical. Sounds like both could be good fits-why not apply to both and see what kind of aid you get? No point in falling in love until you know they love you back.</p>

<p>Grinnell’s incoming president (not sure if he has started yet or will start shortly) is in a long term same sex relationship. (I believe they have a kid or two.). Completely not an issue for the Grinnell community at all.</p>

<p>As a French major and member of the GLBTQ community at Whitman, I’d thought I’d share some of my thoughts:</p>

<p>-While the French department at Whitman is not huge, I’ve had 3 (of the 4) professors who teach upper-level French courses. They’re all extremely intelligent and also, for the most part, excellent teachers as well. The lit classes, I feel, have been the most exciting for me, so I think you could hardly go wrong majoring in French at Whitman. Also, the French department and La Maison Francaise (the French interest house) do a good job of planning activities (films, cafes, lectures etc.) throughout the semester. </p>

<p>That said, I didn’t come into Whitman as a French major; I had originally intended to major in Politics, but found that many classes were already filled up by the time freshman pre-registration came around. There are posts elsewhere on CC warning students to choose a school for a particular major, so I would also look into the strength of other departments you’re interested in. FWIW, I’ve heard good things about the chemistry department if you’re thinking about taking some science classes.</p>

<p>-From my experience, Whitman students are huge social liberals, and as a result the GLBTQ population is super well-accepted on campus. I’ve never encountered or heard of any kind of discrimination against GLBTQ students by other students or the administration. In fact, Dragfest, a drag-themed dance sponsored by Coalition Against Homophobia, is one of the biggest events on campus during the year. I wouldn’t worry at all about being gay at Whitman or Grinnell, it sounds like. The only downside, and this goes for both schools, is that the dating pool will inevitably be shallower than perhaps desired.</p>

<p>-I’m not particularly outdoorsy, but I’m also in the minority. One of the nice things about Whitman’s location is that it’s close to all kind of outdoor venues, and The Outdoor Program does a really good job of scheduling a least one excursion every weekend (generally hiking/kayaking/rafting during the spring and fall and snowshoeing/skiing/snowboarding during the winter). Renting equipment is also super easy and relatively inexpensive for students. The OP also runs the brand-new rock climbing wall and does fun stuff like kayak polo in the pool. </p>

<p>-I can’t really comment too much on financial aid other than to say that Whitman has been very generous with the need-based aid to me. My situation is much different than yours though, so it’s hard to say. Luckily, the people in the financial aid office are all sweethearts, so in any case, I would advise you to talk to them if you have any questions.</p>

<p>Overall, I would agree with the other posters who suggested that you apply to both schools. Barring an ED application (which I would not recommend in your situation), there’s no reason not to be able to compare FA offers, visit, talk to current students etc. I think you have an excellent chance at getting into Whitman, so I would definitely encourage to look into applying. </p>

<p>If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM.</p>

<p>Some other non-preppy, non-radical, gay-supportive LACs that you might consider: Haverford, Swarthmore, Vassar, Weslayan, and Oberlin. Vassar in particular is interested in increasing the percentage of men in it’s student body so they may make you a better offer for financial aid.</p>

<p>I doubt Vassar will work for the OP

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<p>Grinnell seems like a good fit. By radical do you mean radical conservative or liberal? Due to Grinnell being in Iowa you have a mix of both consevatives and liberals. One of the most liberal cities in the state ( Iowa City) is only about an hour drive from Grinnell while the most largest city in the state ( Des Moines) is also only about an hour drive. Previous president election Iowa voted Democratic.
I do not know much about Whitman.

Iowa is popular forthe motto: " live and let live" so since you say your in a fairly laid-back manner I still think Grinnell is a great fit.</p>