<p>What were the stats of the most underqualified person you know (or know of) who got accepted into an ivy or ivy-level school? Did he or she go?</p>
<p>a hamster named Milton.</p>
<p>I hope I don't sound racist, but a lot of black and latino kids at my school got into U Penn who were really legitimately not qualified. One Latino male got a C- in my Latin class with one of the easier graders in the school, did absolutely nothing for ECs and got into Penn. At HYPSM, however, all the minorities were qualified; the difference was, all of the qualified minorities got into one of those schools, whereas maybe 50-75% of qualified white kids did, and probably below 50% of qualified Asian kids got in.</p>
<p>A rich, black girl with a 1940 got into Princeton.</p>
<p>AA is great.</p>
<p>Minorities are typically accepted into the top colleges with considerably lower scores than the average caucasian gets. The reason for this is because the average standardized test scores of all minorities (except asians) are considerably lower than caucasians. So, a black girl for instance might fall into the 99% percentile amongst her race in scoring a 30 on the ACT, while a white girl may fall into 99% percentile amongst her race only with a 32. Both however would be considered in admissions as being on equal footing despite the score differences.</p>
<p>The result of this should be that minorities represent the population of college undergraduates in the top colleges by the same amount as they do in the US population (around 30%). This doesn't seem to be the case though for some reason. If you look up statistics on each of the top colleges, the vast majority of them appear to admit a higher percentage of minorities than you would expect based on their representation in the US population.</p>
<p>Some numbers from a study done by some Princeton University sociologists. They're supposed to represent the advantages/disadvantages allowed in terms of SAT points (on 1600 scale) for different groups, with caucasians being at 0:</p>
<p>Blacks: +230
Hispanics: +185
Asians: -50
Recruited athletes: +200
Legacies (children of alumni): +160</p>
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<p>was he a native speaker?</p>
<p>A kid whose parents bought him/her a place. PAH. Disgusting.</p>
<p>I know this is not on point, however I want your opinion: My D, a black girl</p>
<p>4.398 Weighted GPA (only 2 B+, remainder A- and above)
Honor classes 10 by graduation
AP classes 9 by graduation (2 self study)
(US 5; Statistics 4; Biology ?; Euro ?; World ?[? = will know on 7/1/06)
JV soccer co-captain
JV/V Academic Team Captain
School magazine Music Editor & Editor at Large
VP & V County Teen Library Board
Volunteer work in Nicaragua
Many cool summer programs: Smith, U Cincy Med School, Kenyon (Telluride Finanist - didn't make the final cut). </p>
<p>SAT 1: 700 v; 680 m; 670 w (12 on essay)
SAT 2: 710 US; 690 Biology; 700 Literature</p>
<p>Bryn Mawr
Wellesley (Legacy)
Yale
Mt. Holyoke (safety)
Miami of Ohio (safety)
Kenyon</p>
<p>What would you suggest added to this list of colleges? Is she Ivy qualified? Be frank!</p>
<p>Her SATs are bad for the Ivies, ECs are solid though. With AA I would say 40% chance at Yale (but thats just me)</p>
<p>the first kid princeton has ever accepted from my high school wasn't ranked in the top of the class (my HS isn't great, typically only those in the top 1% get in), he was barely in the top 10% with so-so SATs but he got into Princeton ... because he can run fast.</p>
<p>mizo, probably want to take the SATs again, but even with those scores, she would have over a 50% chance at any school in the country.</p>
<p>Well.</p>
<p>I got into MIT, Rice, Cornell and UT but rejected from Princeton even though I'm a Hispanic with high stats, EC's, insane courseload, high rank, and my first uncle attended Princeton (might count for legacy).</p>
<p>SAT's: (760 Math, 680 Verbal, 710 Writing (12/12) in 1 sitting)
GPA: ~ 90 UW, 102 W
Rank: 13/458
AP's completed: 5 (Self Taught Comp science since the teacher didn't know java yet was still allowed to "teach." I took her place the following year.)
IB's completed: 7 (4 HL), from the school with the highest passrate in the nation (100% period. 4 years so far--the valedictorian going to UPenn with a full ride that is WHITE got a 71 in my math class and 82 in physics... it is that tough)
EC's: NHS, NHI, Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do (1st Dan, assistant instructor), Art, Computer Building (side job), Violin, Movie Club president (fun), etc</p>
<p>Awards: AMC 12 103.5, AIME 6 (both first attempts), 4th in nationals for constitution team (woo texas!, 1st in state is implied), 1st in State for photo editing in TSA, UIL awards, National Hispanic Recognized Scholar (I could've gotten higher than a 1970 had I not been ill and left several times in the middle of sections), etc (too lazy to list all)</p>
<p>Recs: Well they got me into those other schools</p>
<p>Interview: superb. My MIT interviewer called me back for another two hours because he had fun talking to me. The Princeton interview went just as well because I know politics and history well and he was a WWII buff and hardcore democrat (looking at the room made it obvious) so I could talk to him pretty well.</p>
<p>Essays: My only possible weakness since I didn't take a risk on the Princeton ones like I did in my MIT and Rice essays.</p>
<p>Just goes to show that there is FAR more than just stats and race involved.</p>
<p>bottom line: for applicants of equal stats and caliber, urms definitely get the huge advantage.</p>
<p>hey bing lol i remember talking to you on aim</p>
<p>anyway, there's this girl at our school who's really dumb and really cocky and ditzy at the same time. typical asian female parent-driven perfectionist, she's going to harvard. she works hard, but she's not smart at all. i know SATs aren't the same as intelligence, but she had to take the SAT 5 times to hit 2150. people under 2150 aren't bad, but the fact that she was that desperate just kills me. it's why i am SO not going to harvard.</p>
<p>moral of the story: if it takes you 5 tries at the SAT, you're underqualified and overly desperate</p>
<p>I cannot believe this topic. What gives you people to right to judge who and who not belongs at a certain school? I can't believe you guys have the audacity to make statements like that.</p>
<p>I agree with you Fandangoya! I'm not being a nice person by posting on this thread. But at the same time, admissions officers just can't know the whole story when it comes to an applicant. There are some things test scores can tell you, and some things that only going to school with someone can tell you. For example, there's this kid at our school who looks great on paper--senior class president, good grades, good test scores. But in reality, he cheats ALL the time, he is popular so no one tells on him, and he's going to UPenn this fall. There are mean mudslingers, and there are those of us who know the truth. I was in a class with the girl I mentioned earlier who's going to Harvard. Trust me, she hit on the teacher and was extremely slow. But she studied like mad and got an A+ in the class...needless to say the teacher hated her and openly admitted it to the rest of us. Is it nice? No. Does she belong at Harvard? Probably not. Does our complaining make Harvard change their minds? Course not. But we can still know that there are more worthy people out there.</p>
<p>A kid I know got into Princeton by getting his mom to work at the Princeton University library.</p>
<p>are you serious?</p>
<p>Umm yeah. Why do you think Princeton High School gets soo many kids into Princeton University? They're not ALL super duper qualified. Since they live in the same town as PU, their parents are more likely to have gone there or to work there, and of course colleges favor legacies and their faculty's families. Some parents would take advantage of their proximity to PU to give their kids an advantage.</p>