Who will our next coach be?

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<p>“Les Miles has been riding a streak of luck lately though.”</p>

<p>People have been saying that for a couple years now. Using a common saying in trading, if someone is lucky forever, he is not lucky, he is just good. By theory of probability, luck cannot get you a 62-17 record in the best conference by far in the country.</p>

<p>“I wanted RRod to stay to give his Offense another year and to allow either the Defense to heal/grow up or for a new DC to be hired.”
Let’s say we were to retain RR and get a new DC, that would mean RR would have struck out on 2 DCs in 3 years. There’s no evidence that he is capable of hiring a suitable, why should he be trusted to make that decision?</p>

<p>He’s also not good enough to take the Pitt job this year. He’s damaged good.</p>

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<p>Sources close to Miles say he will accept the Michigan job if offered. Seems like a done deal.</p>

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<p>You can bet on him in vegas because they’re in the business of making money, not predicting coaches. Btw Pitt decided to hire something called Todd Graham today instead of RichRod. I guess they’re not too high on a glorified OC with the 108th worst defense in the country at MICHIGAN. When it’s that bad, it’s not all the DC’s fault.</p>

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<p>^^
Really, he would accept it? That’d be nice. I hope we get Miles… but I wonder if any of our players will leave. Maybe some people would follow him from LSU. I don’t know. </p>

<p>At least Rodriguez is gone. My dad mentioned to me after the Illinois game that he heard Rodriguez saying on the radio something along the lines of “I guess I’d better start paying attention to the defensive practices now.”</p>

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<p>RRod came in with very little talent in the Michigan sense. This year the secondary was absolutely depleated by injuries, transfers, deferals, etc. There was very little to work with on D. It should not have been as bad as it was, but even with a geat DC we would have been average at best.</p>

<p>Also, I never said RRod had to be trusted with hiring a new DC. RRod has a proven offense, the D is shaky (that being said with the injuries and such hurting it), have the AD recruit and hire a new DC. </p>

<p>Les Miles this year has been nothing short of lucky. I can’t speak for the other years, but he could have easily had a much worse record this year.</p>

<p>If there was absolutely no chance Michigan would hire him (or, he’s not a choice), I would think odds would be even lower. There have been multiple sources linking Gruden to Michigan in some form or another. This isn;t all just out of the blue. Sure we may not get him and some of the reports may have exagerated the contact but he still is and will always have been an option.</p>

<p>RRod will find his way somewhere and if he finds himself in a good situation (i.e. everyone not hating his guts as soon as he steps on campus) he should do well.</p>

<p>Nvr said it was all the DCs fault. A lot of different factors played into r D preforming at the level it did.</p>

<p>If Miles is hired hopefully he can succeed. He would not be my top choice, but hopefulle he will get us winning again.</p>

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<p>RR most certainly did not have a proven offense. When it really counted, we couldn’t score.</p>

<p>Mississippi State: 14 points
Ohio State: 7 points
Michigan State: 17 points
Iowa: 28 points (but 21 in the 4th when they started playing prevent)
Wisconsin: 28 points (but 28 in the 3rd and 4th when they started playing prevent)</p>

<p>I’m not sure what you’re looking at, but what I see is an awful offense.</p>

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<p>An awful offense? Really…</p>

<p>I see an offense that could put up yards on anyone, had the burden of knowing they had to score cuz their D couldn’t stop anyone, and could not rely on any kicker.</p>

<p>It’s kind of hard to be 9th in the nation in total offense and have an awful offense.</p>

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<p>MLDWoody, I disgaree with your analysis of RR. His defenses got progressively worse and would have been worse in 2011 than in 2010. Talent has nothing to do with it. Nobody is saying that Michigan’s defense should have been excellent…but dead last in the conference? Come on! And why did players transfer out? Maybe because RR’s defensive scheme does not work in the Big 10? Or worse…he simply does not care about defense. On offense, he managed against teams with weak defensive fronts, but his style of play cannot withstand defenses with aggresive DLs and LBs. He did not believe in a balanced attack with a power RB handling part of the load. In short, he was unwilling to coach Michigan / Big 10 football. He wants to continue coach RR football which simply does not work in the Big 10. I have never heard of a coach at one of the top 5 football programs lasting more than three seasons after going 15-22 in his first years, 0-6 vs top rivals or 1-10 vs ranked teams. Bryan Kelly had less talent to work with the RR this year, and his team went 8-5. RR went 3-9. </p>

<p>As for Gruden, he had his ups and downs. He did great in 2000, 2001 and 2002, but he was mediocre most other years. His 2002 Super Bowl ring was won in his first season at Tamp Bay. Is was partly thanks to his own coaching, but also partly due to Dungy’s defensive philosophy and Dungy’s Defensive coordinator. His 2003 and 2004 were mediocre, going 12-20. His 2005 season at Tampa was ok, but 2006-2008 were all mediocre, including a 4-12 season in 2007. There is no proof that Gruden would be a good college head coach or a good fit for Michigan. He was fired from his last job and has not coached for a couple of years. And who is to say that if he returns Michigan to its usual winning ways, he will not leave at the first offer from a NFL team? He clearly has a preference for the NFL.</p>

<p>Miles is a Michigan alum and was once a coach at Michigan. He is 62-17 (0.785) as head coach in the SEC, a conference that is as strong as the Big 10. He may have had some lucky wins, but he also had some impressive wins. A coach does not win 62 games and a national championship in 6 years based on luck. He is also 57 years old, which means he will probably see Michigan as his last coaching job. He will remain with Michigan until he retires. That sort of stability is very important in college football. Another perk of getting Miles is that he would be a popular choice at the University and with the current team. He may also bring in some of his own recruits from LSU, which currently has one of the top 5 recruiting classes according to Rivels.com.</p>

<p>Of course, there are no guarantees, regardless of the coach. Personally, I would be happy with Grudent or Hoke, but I would rather get Miles.</p>

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<p>MLD- You still haven’t provided one piece of evidence or even argument really as to why LM was lucky. One thing that certainly isn’t lucky is a National Championship. You called the defense “shaky.” Soooo…understatement at it’s finest. You seem to be disagreeing with the general consensus on every football issue…this many people disagreeing with you can’t always be wrong.</p>

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<p>Gruden has no track record in college football and you can’t draft players for college.</p>

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<p>Tyranny of the majority, just because I disagree with the majority doesn’t make me wrong</p>

<p>Maybe part of the reason RRods offense wasn’t working was because, as soon as he was hired, all he heard was how is offense wouldn’t work. The guy had little support his whole time here and that hurt him and his recruiting in the long run.</p>

<p>“Talent has nothing to do with it.”
-Talent has a whole hell of a lot to do with it. I do not know the reasons behind one of the CBs transfering, but the secondary was very lacking this year talent wise do to injury. RRod came in with a very weak talen base on Michigan’s standards. I believe he didn’t have enough time to recruit his guys and coach them up. Two recruiting classes just isn’t enough (he hardly had time do affect that first one).</p>

<p>He didn’t believe in a power HB because his offense doesn’t use one. That’s like putting Colt McCoy (I’m a Browns fan) in an air it out long ball offense. Its not there because it isn’t as important. He was getting his highly touted 4 star HB Dee Hart this offseason. Shaw and Smith could not quite handle the load as needed.</p>

<p>The thing that intrigues me about Gruden is the “Super Bowl Winning HC” persona. That alone will draw recruits to Michigan. And these recruits will want to go to the pros and will play in our pro style offense, win win.</p>

<p>Miles age may seem like a positive, his age making it likely this is his last HC job. But it could also work as a negative. Who knows when he will retire? He is getting up there and it isn’t certain how long he’ll coach. Gruden is 47 and Hoke is 52. No spring chickens but they may each have a little more left on their tires than Miles.</p>

<p>I am not saying his whole career is luck, I am saying this season was. His record could have easily been a lot worse and then I wonder how we would pursue him then.</p>

<p>If we have to pick a coach people like so he will be successful that sucks. An imability to embrace change will hurt us in the long run. This hurt RRod tremendously and I’d hate to see it dictate our next coach.</p>

<p>If Miles can bring some of his recruits here that would be great… but what about all the horrible “RRod’s recruits were loyal to RRod and not Michigan blah blah blah.” Wouldn’t these recruits, after decommitting from LSU and enrolling at Michigan just to stay with Miles be the exact same thing? We’d know from the start where their loyalty lies. More than likely we lose guys out of our recruiting class and few follow Miles over. Maybe the recruit chose LSU for its location, or their dad played their, or the couldn’t get into Michigan. Whatever it is I just don’t see a lot of recruits following him over.</p>

<p>No one wants to look into the depth chart and see just how depleated Michigan was talent wise right around when Carr left and then this year int he secondary do to injuries. And before you say “oh RRod didn’t recruit any Defensive guys.” Well one, if I was RRod I would have worried about establishing the thing that made me (the spread) first, I also would have expected the talent pool to last a little longer. Also, he did recruit defense, put its not a one offseason process. With set backs like your top recruit getting defered you’re gonna take a hit. RRod also had some nice secondary recruits coming in this year.</p>

<p>I realize Gruden is a longshot and I realize Miles is probably gonna get the job. I also realize most people wanted RRod gone. Disagreeing with these things does not make me wrong. If there wasn’t this mob anti-RRod mentaility from the start who knows what could have happenned.</p>

<p>The real test for any new coach for me will be can they keep Denard. If Miles, or Hoke, or Gruden can come in and convince Denard to stay I will follow him 100%.</p>

<p>And even if he doesn’t I will still follow him. I will not make fireMiles.com or shout for Miles to get fired every offseason. You know why? Because I support my team and I support their coach. And blindly bashing him from the start will not help anyone.</p>

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<p>"
ESPN reported that a source told Derek Ponamsky of BayouBengalsInsider.com that he spoke to Les Miles’ wife, Kathy, and that Kathy – a former Michigan women’s basketball assistant – does not want the family to return to Ann Arbor."</p>

<p>Lol, what an awesome source. A friend of a friend of a friend heard from a friend that Miles’s wife may not like the color blue.</p>

<p>That quote probably doesn’t have a bearing on anything but I thought it was funny when I read it.</p>

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<p>MLDWoody, most of us on CC supported RR when he came in. I certainly did. It was only after two horrible season with no improvement that I started to question his relevance. After his third season, I was convinced he had to go.</p>

<p>As far as Miles’ wife, her views will matter. If she really does not want to move back to Ann Arbor (she may have an aversion to cold weather, their kids may be at that “difficult age” or she may have family and friends in Batton Rouge), there is a good chance he will not take the job. Who knows, he may go to Miami!</p>

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<p>I was more making fun of the source. As it very easily could be false.</p>

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<p>I heard that Miles didn’t get the full support from the LSU fan base either. I bumped into a LSU professor last October and he jokingly asked whether we would do them a favor and take the bum back.</p>

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<p>LSU was a second-tier SEC program before Saban and Les Miles took over. Before they came along, an 8-4 season was considered good. It goes to show that affiliation to the program is as important as success. Well, I would gladly take Les Miles from LSU.</p>

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<p>Apparently Miles isn’t coming…</p>

<p>[LSU’s</a> Les Miles won’t be next Michigan coach | freep.com | Detroit Free Press](<a href=“http://www.freep.com/article/20110111/SPORTS06/110111041/1319/LSUs-Les-Miles-wont-be-next-Michigan-coach]LSU’s”>http://www.freep.com/article/20110111/SPORTS06/110111041/1319/LSUs-Les-Miles-wont-be-next-Michigan-coach)</p>

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<p>I guess Hoke it is. Instead of a one-year rebuilding timeframe, we are looking at three years. With Miles, Michigan would have returned to prominance in 2012. With Hoke, it won’t be until 2014.</p>

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<p>^… *In Alexadre’s eyes</p>

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<p>MLDWoody, I want what’s best for Michigan. In my not-so-humble opinion, Les Miles was the best remaining option. We now only have uncertain and questionable options. Whoever it is may turn out to be great, like Bo, but, on the other hand, may prove disastrous, like RR. I don’t think Michigan can take another three years of 5 win seasons, of defenses that concede 30 points per game, of going 0-9 against MSU, PSU and OSU or being winless vs ranked teams.</p>