<p>"Riverside certainly gets the lowest stat kids of any UC, but they are still mostly within the top 12% of California high school grads. Are 90% of the kids in Cali stupid?"</p>
<p>I wouldn't call them "stupid," per se, but when you consider that the average HS grad is making nachos at the local cinema or flipping burgers at In-and-Out, you have to think to yourself -- gee, should I be comparing myself academically to the average high school grad?</p>
<p>On the other hand, when UCR students are compared to other major 4-year universities, they ain't the brightest bulbs in the sack.</p>
<p>"I don't understand how getting accepted to any school is a slap in the face. While UCR might be low ranking, if you decide to look at rankings I believe that it is higher ranked then any of the states CSU's."</p>
<p>Yeah, that's true. Compared to students attending the Midvale School for the Gifted, the peeps at UCR are frigging genuises. </p>
<p>You sound like the perfect candidate for UCR. The average student there has absolutely no idea that he/she is getting a fly-by-night education from a school with a reputation that everybody guffaws at. And when confronted with such a notion, the UCR student doesn't really care. There is a definite aura of academic apathy and amotivation among the the student body. If you are unmotivated yourself and don't care about your education, then UCR might not be so bad.</p>
<p>Jesus. You must have been rejected by UC Riverside, because you're incredibly bitter. Though you can string sentences together, so that can't be the case.</p>
<p>So wait, because I'm defending the school you're telling me that I'm unmotivated? I'm not really seeing the connection here, and I'm really confused why you're so exceptionally upset with this one school... Did you have a bad experence there or something, or do you just hate UCR because you've got to hate something?</p>
<p>"It shouldn't take 5 years to graduate from ANY UC-school UNLESS you change your major midway, you fail, or you take time off...in which cause it's not the school's fault."</p>
<p>That's not entirely true... "The typical UC student earns an undergraduate degree in just over four years, and three-quarters of students who enter the University as freshmen graduate within six years." - University of California's Introducting the University booklet, and just about every counselor I've talked to. The reasons you've described above do have something to do with it, but it can also be because of students double majoring, or just being in impacted majors in general.</p>
<p>Anyway, since you seem to know so much about UCR, what do you think about CHASS? Specifically their Creative Writing, Art, Art History, Philosophy, English, Theater, Pol Sci, and Sociology departments (which claims to be "one of the finest" in the UCs) - whichever ones you are familiar with.</p>
<p>Know anything about their International Relations minor?</p>
<p>And what do you think about their abundance of interdisciplinary majors that other UCs don't seem to offer in the same manner?</p>
<p>Allena wrote: "So wait, because I'm defending the school you're telling me that I'm unmotivated?"</p>
<p>I never directly stated that you were unmotivated. I suggested that <em>IF</em> you were, you should go to UCR. Don't they test reading comprehension on the SAT's anymore?</p>
<p>" and I'm really confused why you're so exceptionally upset with this one school..."</p>
<p>You actually seem to be the one who's "upset." I am simply providing information to prospective UCR students so that they can make an informed decision regarding their future college. I am also inserting my own opinions where I think they're contributory.</p>
<p>UC_hopeful wrote: "That's not entirely true... "The typical UC student earns an undergraduate degree in just over four years, and three-quarters of students who enter the University as freshmen graduate within six years." - University of California's ...The reasons you've described above do have something to do with it, but it can also be because of students double majoring, or just being in impacted majors in general."</p>
<p>Thanks. Not only is your quote 90% irrelevant, it also misses my point completely anyway. Somebody else here estimated that it would take 5 years to graduate from a UC, in order to calculate the cost savings of "full scholarship." My primary counterargument was that regardless, a merit-based full-scholarship is tuition-only and does not cover housing/books/etc. That was my POINT. My minor argument was that if you graduate in 5 years, it's because of something YOU are doing - like you failed, took time off, or switched majors mid-way. In fact, your quote actually substantiates my point that the TYPICAL UC student finishies in "JUST OVER four years." I don't see how also pointing out that students can double major or be in impacted majors really changes anything at all. In other words, 100% irrelevant. </p>
<p>...but thank you for a fine example of quoting something completely irrelevant, drawing irrelevant conclusions, and responding only to a person's minor points. You'd be a fine writer at UC Riverside.</p>
<p>"I am simply providing information to prospective UCR students so that they can make an informed decision regarding their future college. I am also inserting my own opinions where I think they're contributory."</p>
<p>I'm not really that upset, but I'm just a little shocked at how deep your hate for Riverside runs. I don't think I've ever seen somebody hate a college as much as you hate UCR. I did apply to UCR as a major saftey new, which at this point really is not necessary since I got into UCSD. However I can't believe that everybody that goes to UCR hates it, and I'd be willing to say that there are intelligent at the school. I'm not trying to say that the school is the best in the world, nor would I personally really want to go there, however I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as you put it.</p>
<p>...but thank you for a fine example of quoting something completely irrelevant, drawing irrelevant conclusions, and responding only to a person's minor points. You'd be a fine writer at UC Riverside.</p>
<p>You know what, I'm not even going to argue about that, because obviously, you and flopsy the follower don't know how to think, and you, especially, seem to attack anything that is against you, instead of defending yourself - you're one to talk about poor tactics of argument.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, thanks for not answering my questions. It saves me the trouble of hearing "information" from such a biased, unreliable source.</p>
<p>"Informed decision????" You've got to be kidding me.</p>
<p>Nice one, Theregicider. Even if people don't read all the repetitive crap he says, at least you pointed out something worth reading.</p>
<p>Alas. I have already started a thread devoted to this subject: "UC Riverside: Good or Bad."</p>
<p>Although backgrounds and preferences of people do vary, most can agree that UC Riverside is one of the worst schools in CA. Recently, testimonies and eye witness accounts from members have provided evidence to support this assertion.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, everyone has their own preferences, and there are legitimate reasons to attend UC Riverside, if....
1.) You are interested in studying air pollution and its affects on lung development.
2.) You are interesting in studying personality disorders and need a large sample population to conduct your research.
3.)You are an undercover DEA agent that needs to inflitrate a Meth ring based in the Inland Empire.
4.) A convert organization has placed a radio controlled bomb in your head that will be set off it you don't attend UCR.
5.) You are obscessed with individuals that walk with one shoulder bent down.</p>
<p>Life is about choices, and you make the choice!</p>
<p>UC_hopeful wrote: "You know what, I'm not even going to argue about that, because obviously...you seem to attack anything that is against you, instead of defending yourself - you're one to talk about poor tactics of argument."</p>
<p>Not only was that the most poorly articulated counterargument I've ever heard, but it also doesn't make any sense. I previously posted a well-constructed rebuttal explaining specifically, and without generalizing, why your response was irrelevant and noncontributory. Your response to that (above) speaks for itself. I hate to be blunt, but somebody of your intellectual prowess would probably fit right in at UCR. </p>
<p>"Oh yeah, thanks for not answering my questions. It saves me the trouble of hearing 'information' from such a biased, unreliable source."</p>
<p>I am under zero obligation to answer questions from any individual here who engages in retard-level responses like yours. I mean, gimme a break. "Well, that's not entirely correct..." and you proceed to challenge an irrelevant, minor point of mine. Pull your head out of the sand, man.</p>
<p>"'Informed decision????' You've got to be kidding me."</p>
<p>There are a variety of sources out there you could look to when researching college information. Unfortunately, many of them are misleadingly positive and can fool you into thinking UCR is greater than the stinkhole that it actually is...case in point: the Allena girl here who visited the campus and was conned into believing Riverside was some desert oasis. ...Interesting that her impression was grossly inconsistent with the findings of Princeton Review and studentsreview.com with respect to student happiness.</p>
<p>Allena wrote: "I don't think I've ever seen somebody hate a college as much as you hate UCR."</p>
<p>There are plenty of people who HATE UCR - they're called TRANSFERS. Just about everybody and their mother who attends Riverside wants to get the heck out of there...problem is many of them can barely speak english or do arithmetic, so no other school will take them. Those people then say "like, wow, dude, ucr is like the greatest place ever, man." That's because they realize that UCR is the only college that would take them - therefore it's great. Then naive HS students like you talk to these boneheads, who think "woh, like ucr is the bomb," and you believe them. Corollary: all the people who HATE UCR enough and are mentally capable of transfering out, do so...and so you don't encounter them when you visit. It's called selection bias. But even so, there's still enough unhappy students to give UCR a #12 ranking in the unhappy student survey from Princeton Review...That's #12 out of 350 schols, mind you.</p>
<p>"However I can't believe that everybody that goes to UCR hates it, and I'd be willing to say that there are intelligent at the school. "</p>
<p>If Spock beamed down from the Starship Enterprise into Riverside, he would bust out his tricorder and report back "Captain, no signs of intelligent life forms." The school's average SAT scores and GPA's support this notion.</p>
<p>"however I don't think it is anywhere near as bad as you put it."</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you are not in a position to make that determination. Having only visited and talked to a few people, with an existing preconceived notion (read: BIAS), you have absolutely no clue what happens day-to-day in the lives of the these buffoons (students) living in monkeyland (Riverside). </p>
<p>Alright you know what, that's fair enough. I've got no proof that there is a single student on that campus who likes it! I will admit that I have never even seen the campus, and can only think of 1 or two people who I know going there. However I'd be very interested in seeing your proof on many of your claims. Despite everything I'd still wager that you can find at least one intelligent student on that campus who likes the school.</p>
<p>I challenge someone on CollegeConfidential to actually call the Honors department at UCR and ask to TALK to one of the honors kids. These are the kids that stayoutofriverside says that got suckered into going into UCR, so let's see what opinion they have about it!</p>